U.S. warned it could lose air supremacy

[Cobra412]

Mjolnir I don't want to start a flame fest here at all but there are many things that need to be considered in such an engagement.

For starters,   how many F-15 crews have the background knowledge to know what the Raptor is capable of and how to exploit in an engagement?  How many F-15s are capable of detecting the Raptors signatures?  What I mean by that is how many are actual equipped with enabled with up to date threat warning data.  Going along with the first question how much training time and effort has been put into dealing with a threat such as the Raptor?

Also I have no clue as to what your security background is and what systems were authorized for use during these 1vs1, 2vs2 and 4vs4 engagements you rode on but with my background and hands on experiences I highly doubt certain systems capabilities were  used in your presence for these mock engagements.  And even if they were it's the operator and not the plane that uses them effectively.  This isn't something we can discuss though for obvious reasons.  

Much of the data and capabilities on the Raptor are highly secret and won't be known for many years to come.  Like I said before though I don't doubt the Raptor is far ahead of the F-15 in many ways but it's still no slouch.  Who do you think helps test their capabilities in the first place?  I know the answer to that question due to the fact I'm part of that whole process.

[GRUNHERZ]

China is not an open free western democracy.. Its a totalitarian communist regime..  If for some reason you think the USA is arrogant or pushy or narrow minded with its power, just wait until China's Central Comitee begins flexing its muscles..

[Westy]

I took a few moments to gather several, well written articles that explain and talk about the US military being overstretched.

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2004/0625nj1.htm

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/media/eisenstadt/meria.htm

http://www.g2mil.com/Oct2002.htm

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/em895.cfm

http://www.user.dccnet.com/welcomewoods/sunshinecoastpeacegroup/gallipoli.html

http://globalsecurity.com/us_politics/the_us/the_us.htm

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/faculty/Norman/sup/Projects1.S04/Military/Military-CF.htm

http://www.iht.com/articles/112469.html

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1188

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=522404

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,304097,00.html




As for  "Gash" and his comment  "Pull that out of your ass?"

Simply too stupid for words.  I can only imagine Gash's outlook has been painted by a constant diet of AMC John Wayne reruns.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by midnight Target
I once heard that Finland was the only Allied Country to ever pay back it's war debt to the US in full. Is this true?

Could be true, US made a pretty good profit from the War. Don't think Russia paid a cent and just send F*** Off at the end of the war to paying back for the lend lease. LOL



...-Gixer

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Gixer
Could be true, US made a pretty good profit from the War. Don't think Russia paid a cent and just send F*** Off at the end of the war to paying back for the lend lease. LOL



...-Gixer

US made a profit on WWII? Care to elaborate?

[Pongo]

There will be alot of "emerging" befor anyone is a superpower to contend with the US. Maybe china could make a mess of the Eurasian land mass.

[AKIron]

US incurred heavy debt over both WWI and WWII. Don't know where you get the idea that WWII was profitable for the US. Here's some numbers: http://www.the-privateer.com/usdebt/comment.html

[Rino]

Originally posted by lada
Because US has become pretty arogant on national level. It were probably clear that it could happen, since reputation of normal people of US went strait down few years ago.
Arogance of US is not less dangerous that arogance from any other regime regardless if they are commies or total theocratic fanatics.




China is very diferent from Europe. But China grow pretty fast and way, how to have good relations with them is not in isolation or hostility. More open we are to china, more open is china to us. Some of my friends has gone to china for few years. I have many chinese friends around me and i see how they are changeing. More they know about us, more they understand us and vice versa. Everybody know that in the world of educated people totalist regime can not survive.


Im wondering whats your attitude toward China ?



btw What did you mean that they do not share same Cultural values ?

     Everytime I think I see the prize nitwit of all time, someone
comes along to prove me wrong.  Yeah, China is a great
benevolent power that the evil capitalists have subjugated for
hundreds of years.  Tiamemen Square was obviously a western ploy to discredit the PRoC.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by AKIron
US made a profit on WWII? Care to elaborate?

Economically the US industry and hence the economy did very well financially out of the war. While other countries like Britain were left with a depression, rationing and debts to pay off for lend lease. The US was in a Boom buying houses,appliances and new Chevy's.



...-Gixer

[AKIron]

I'll agree that building the war machine needed to subdue Germany and Japan produced a large industry but at a cost which indebted many future generations. It wasn't profitable in human life either.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by AKIron
I'll agree that building the war machine needed to subdue Germany and Japan produced a large industry but at a cost which indebted many future generations. It wasn't profitable in human life either.

I never mentioned or made a point regarding humanity and proift. The point I was making was purely economical and the econimical benifits to the US from WW2.

Of course you could try and calculate the effect of US casulaties and wounded during the war and it's impact to the US economy at the time and years after but that's way beyond my economics 101. Though might actually make quite an interesting Thesis.



...-Gixer

[Siaf__csf]

Finland fought against russia in WW2 so it probably couldn't have any debt to US whatsoever. Or did the US fund both sides of the conflict?

Finland had to make huge payments to russia which was part of the allies but not because of war debt. It was a condition for peace. It was a silly amount, almost 50% of the gross income at the time if I recall right.

The soviet agression was widely condemned within the rest of the allies, United Kingdom and the US, but they couldn't even pressure the soviets untill the common enemy was fallen.

[Masherbrum]

GRUN, I Know this much,  WWII's reserves were used in Korea, Korea's in Nam, Nam's in Gulf War.  A buddy of mine worked in the Air Force, fastening weapons to Fighter/bombers.   He stated "What will hurt the US in the future, will NOT be a large single war, but several wars spread over the globe".  That was said back in 95.   Looking back on it now, he was right.  We're in Bosnia, Afghan, Iraq.  Thank god the North Koreans have been calming down.   India/Pakistan, now that is gonna be a humdinger in about 10 years.  

By god I'm an American and fuggin proud of it, but I'm not blind (I believe this country was started after a Tax Revolt of sorts?) The 10th Mountain is still in Afghanistan right (or did they go onto Iraq)?

Isn't the Sukhoi Su-37 the one that can do the "Cobra manuever"?

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Karaya