Author Topic: we need to discuss fuel modifier (Read 1600 times)

ergRTC · « **Reply #45 on:** June 25, 2004, 08:23:59 AM »

Couple of things though. Not all of the fuel models are finished, or at least they never anounced it.

I have always heard that the early 190s had a better range. Just as you have heard otherwise I guess.

Crumpp · « **Reply #46 on:** June 25, 2004, 08:27:42 AM »

I know Pyro and those guys are extremely busy getting the kinks out of AH2. They also have TD to work on. I'm sure they will get around to fixing it eventually.

Crumpp

Grits · « **Reply #47 on:** June 25, 2004, 09:30:56 AM »

Yup, I know some are not done, and Im pretty sure you are right that the 190A's have not been done yet, but how much better can they get? They wont get doubled, or tripled, (which is what they would need) they will still have a significant disadvantage to the long ranged planes like the P-51's and the Mossie.

scJazz · « **Reply #48 on:** June 28, 2004, 10:42:42 AM »

Erg and the rest missed a major point in this conversation regarding the whole "10 minutes over England for 109s thing".

In WWII pilots would launch, climb to 20,000' plus, get into formation, hook up with other squadrons, then fly over England!

CT pilots, on the other hand, launch, immediately turn on course to the furball at 50' altitude, punch WEP, climb to maybe 3,000' and arrive over England within 5 minutes of takeoff.

The whole realism thing isn't about the fuel burn rate it is about how everyone flies. The extreme enemy territory loiter times are because of this one fact.

If we all flew in a more reasonable fashion no one would be complaining.

I like flying 109s and 190s but I also rarely fly straight into the furball. More likely scenario as follows.

Launch with 75% or 100% fuel from second echelon base. Climb to 15,000' - 20,000'. At this point I've burned off about 25% of my fuel. Depending on bogey dope maintain my alt or put myself slight nose down and turn to target. Arrive at fight at about 50% fuel with major E advantage. Blow E advantage bailing out first friendly I see in trouble get low on E and get my butt shot off. Repeat.

Fly sorties as described above and you won't have more than 10 minutes of loiter. Increase the fuel burn rate to the point where I have to start flying like the rest of you and I'll be the one who is ticked off.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 28, 2004, 11:48:10 AM »

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Originally posted by scJazz
Arrive at fight at about 50% fuel with major E advantage. Blow E advantage bailing out first friendly I see in trouble get low on E and get my butt shot off. Repeat.

Lol. Ain't it the truth? Finally I figured that if I were going to end up squandering my energy advantage, it was silly of me spending all that time climbing out in the first place. Now I just motor merrily into the combat zone at an altitude where I can be fairly certain I'll start out with an energy disadvantage. Consequently I don't feel quite so foolish when I get greased.

- oldman

ergRTC · « **Reply #50 on:** June 28, 2004, 12:17:07 PM »

True.

But that is not taking into account that the meaning of fuel management is behavioral modification. You are assuming you do all of these things at military power.

I know for certain if the luftwaffe had flown into england at 3000 feet, they would have had plenty of time to play around. I would not be opposed to this. But... if you are going to come in in a historical fashion, the results should be historical.

Grits · « **Reply #51 on:** June 28, 2004, 10:44:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
Lol. Ain't it the truth? Finally I figured that if I were going to end up squandering my energy advantage, it was silly of me spending all that time climbing out in the first place. Now I just motor merrily into the combat zone at an altitude where I can be fairly certain I'll start out with an energy disadvantage. Consequently I don't feel quite so foolish when I get greased.

What I figured out is so few people actually know how to use an altitude advantage that I stopped worrying about grabbing alt. Most of the time as long as I have 3-5k, thats enough.

To get us back on topic, I have been flying in the MA a bit lately (gasp!) and from flying at 2.0 I think the CT default should be set somewhere between 1.8 and 2.0, 1.5 is way too low.

ergRTC · « **Reply #52 on:** June 28, 2004, 11:18:24 PM »

As a matter of fact, how have people delt with the 2.0 in the ma? Has it been unbearable? This is not a jibe, this is serious, I have not flown ah1 for months so the fuel modifier has never been a suprise to me. Has MA levels been affecting your normal habits?

Grits · « **Reply #53 on:** June 28, 2004, 11:57:50 PM »

The only difference I can tell is that you load more fuel. You can still do anything you could before, but even upping at a base being attacked (but not capped) in planes like the Hurricane or F4F I took 75% minimum, and sometimes 100%, 50 was not enough.

ergRTC · « **Reply #54 on:** June 29, 2004, 01:57:59 AM »

in the ct I have been taking only 50% in the f4u an have been giggling all the way to the bank, same with the f6f. Seems that perhaps we should raise the multiplier.....