Author Topic: Virgil Hilts  (Read 409 times)

Offline JB73

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« on: August 01, 2004, 12:04:12 AM »
watch the great escape for the umteenth time today.



greatest war movie EVAR!

never ceases to make me happy watching it.

besides making it a "movie ending" i cant figure out for the life of me why hilts went to the cooler at the end for escaping, and the others returned did not go.

LOL

i liked hart's war, but form some reason that dweeb collin farrell made the movie suck, and at the same time gave it a liberal spin... no movie will ever touch the great escape.
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2004, 08:38:09 AM »
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Originally posted by JB73
watch the great escape for the umteenth time today.



greatest war movie EVAR!

never ceases to make me happy watching it.

besides making it a "movie ending" i cant figure out for the life of me why hilts went to the cooler at the end for escaping, and the others returned did not go.

LOL

i liked hart's war, but form some reason that dweeb collin farrell made the movie suck, and at the same time gave it a liberal spin... no movie will ever touch the great escape.


Hilts goes to the cooler because he's escaped so many times. That was number 19 or 20 for him. It was in fact 20 if you count him escaping and turning himself in after the first tunnel is found and Ives is killed.

The reason it makes a great ending is because it shows you can't keep him down.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2004, 11:15:56 AM »
We do of course understand that Mr Hilts is an imaginary character in a film and never actually existed right?

He's "cool" because some writer decided that he would be.

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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2004, 11:43:09 AM »
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
We do of course understand that Mr Hilts is an imaginary character in a film and never actually existed right?

He's "cool" because some writer decided that he would be.


  The movie is one of the very few that has been applauded for sticking very close to the facts of what happened in realiity.

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Steve McQueen (Hilts, the Cooler King). Likely to be an amalgamation of several characters, he has no direct counterpart, although one likely candidate is Jerry Sage. The sequence where McQueen sees a blind spot in the guards' coverage of the perimeter wire is true; this escape was by Toft and Nichols, who cut through the wire but were soon recaptured. The motorcycle sequences are pure Hollywood and were put in at McQueen's request; he did nearly all the stunt riding himself, as the long shots show. The single motorcycle was in fact a pair of 1961 British 650cc Triumphs, mocked up in German colours; the final leap is believed to have been done by the American rider Bud Elkins, as it proved impossible for the film company to obtain insurance cover for McQueen to do it himself. For the final leap, there is obviously a ramp just out of camera frame, over which the rider launches the motorcycle to get the necessary height for the jump over the barbed wire fence.

There was indeed a group of prisoners (headed by Jerry Sage and Davey Jones) who manufactured raisin wine and distilled raw liquor from vegetables and virtually any ingredient. The party on the 4th July actually happened, although 'Tom' was not discovered on this particular day.

My Internet correspondent Tom Cleaver offers the opinion that the Steve McQueen character was based on F/Lt Barry Mahon of 121 Squadron RAF -the second Eagle Squadron. Mahon was shot down on Operation Jubilee in August 1942 (where he had just become the 4th Eagle Squadron ace) and sent to Stalag Luft III where he became 'the cooler king' for his many escape attempts. He was brought in from his most recent escape just before "The Great Escape" and actually received first place to go through the tunnel, but decided against accepting, thereby saving his life. Barry later became part of the movie business and was active with United Artists, who made "The Great Escape," and served as a technical advisor on the film. McQueen took a liking to him and had Barry's facts written into his character; Barry allegedly fought like hell to get the movie as real as he could, as his own way of paying respects to the dead.

McQueen's character, and that of Angus Lennie, are representative of two prisoners 'Shag' Rees and 'Red' Noble who enjoyed baiting the ferrets; consequently both spent a fair time in the cooler.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2004, 02:10:10 PM »
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We do of course understand that Mr Hilts is an imaginary character in a film and never actually existed right?

He's "cool" because some writer decided that he would be.


No kidding? :rolleyes: Exactly WHY is that so freaking important to SOME people?
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2004, 03:17:14 PM »
I'll bet I've seen "The Great Escape" a hundred times and I never picked up on Steve McQueen's name in the flick. Man, this explains so much- I always assumed the real Virgil Hilts was a WW2 pilot and that the poster Virgil Hilts was his personna, and that his Avatar indicated he liked Steve McQueen.

You can learn alot on a BB. Thanks for clearing this up.

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2004, 04:25:12 PM »
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
We do of course understand that Mr Hilts is an imaginary character in a film and never actually existed right?

He's "cool" because some writer decided that he would be.


Have you ever seen the Saturday Night Live skit called "Debbie Downer"? Just asking.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2004, 07:55:54 PM »
The book by Paul Brickhill is much better if you're into the history aspects. The movie is certainly entertaining.

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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2004, 08:36:37 AM »
I think that Brickhill was actually a POW himself.
Anyway, were there any Americans involved? I remember that most were British, and there were even some from Norway I think.
BTW, Robert Stanford Tuck was supposed to be in the escape, and I suspect that Douglas Bader may have come close to it too, but they were both transported before the escape. Lucky ones eh?
I have a book about escapes and escape attempts from German Lagers, it's a pretty good read.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2004, 09:33:49 AM »
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Originally posted by Angus
I think that Brickhill was actually a POW himself.
Anyway, were there any Americans involved? I remember that most were British, and there were even some from Norway I think.
BTW, Robert Stanford Tuck was supposed to be in the escape, and I suspect that Douglas Bader may have come close to it too, but they were both transported before the escape. Lucky ones eh?
I have a book about escapes and escape attempts from German Lagers, it's a pretty good read.


One of the main reasons that the Hilts character was written in is because the U.S. pilots were actually transfered out AFTER the escape plans and preperations were almost finished, but before the actual escape, but they wanted a way to keep the Americans in the movie (of course, they also wanted Steve McQueen, and McQueen wanted a big role).

If you notice, Hilts is the only U.S. pilot who actually escapes, except of course the James Garner character Henley "the scrounger" who was an RAF Eagle. The only other U.S. pilot character of signinicance at all was Hilts' buddy, with his minor role in some of the scenes with Hilts, and some with Hilts and Henley.


According to what I've scene and read, U.S. pilots were involved almost to the last minute, when they were seperated from the British.

There was a P-51 pilot who lived in Vegas who claimed for years, up until his death, that he was the inspiration for the Hilts character. According to the new release on DVD (a two DVD set I'll be getting for my 41st birthday Thursday), there is a pilot who was the inspiration for Hilts, but it is not the pilot from Vegas.


In all fairness, I think it should be noted that some characters in movies like this (it was NEVER supposed to be a documentary) are actually composed of several different people. Its called artistic license. There is only so much room in a movie and a cast, and some characters are made "larger than life" to represent more than one person in the actual story. Hilts is one of those characters, and likely one of the most successful and memorable of all of them. The Hilts character is supposed to represent ALL of the U.S. pilots who got transfered out, plus several notable people who did certain things. For example one of the guys known for baiting guards and spending time in the cooler, and one of the guys who ran a still.


One more thing. Almost everyone involved with the movie freely acknowledges that the Hilts character is what made the movie a huge commercial success. As such, it exposed a lot of people to a story they'd never have had any exposure to at all, and told them the story of the real people who were involved. While it is likely that every World War II aviation and history fan here would have seen it anyway (at least, had it been made without the Hilts character), it is important to remember that a lot of others would not. And even those who were not seeing it because of their love of history and World War II aviation got at least some of the real story, and that is a lot more than they would have otherwise.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2004, 12:33:31 PM »
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Originally posted by Angus
I think that Brickhill was actually a POW himself.
Anyway, were there any Americans involved? I remember that most were British, and there were even some from Norway I think.
BTW, Robert Stanford Tuck was supposed to be in the escape, and I suspect that Douglas Bader may have come close to it too, but they were both transported before the escape. Lucky ones eh?
I have a book about escapes and escape attempts from German Lagers, it's a pretty good read.


Tunnel engineering was in the expert hands of F/Lt Wally Floody, a Canadian Spitfire pilot and prewar mining engineer. The original 'Tunnel King', he masterminded the construction of all three tunnels.