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Offline SlapShot

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Re: Why not fix what's broke?
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2004, 09:52:21 AM »
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Originally posted by baine1
With bugs still left in AHII, no new planes added to the game in more than a year and TOD seemingly DOA why does HTC tackle a project sure to anger at least a third of their customer base instead of spending its time on things that need doing???
Instead of taking the time limiting the planes I can fly, why not give me a B-24 (then maybe I wouldn't feel so bad about losing the B-17, or fix whatever happened to gvs (rounds routinely bounce off the teflon panzers these days) or fix it so I can alt-tab without encountering the white screen of death.
Instead we get a draconian measure that doesn't take into account any of the nuances of the three country system and leaves me flying Lancs against players from two countries who can buy 262s cheap and combine their numbers if they can ever get their act together.
This system actually penalizes teamwork _ something that (from what I read about TOD) HTC seemed to want to encourage.
MAybe if I whine long enough...


Your absolutly right ... there are still alot of things that HT has on his plate, but if HT has taken the time to put his hands on this, I can assure you that is must be important ... to his business.

HT, I believe, does not introduce changes on a whim or a whine. Something has to be really out of wack for him to get involved.

I also believe that HT does not do things that try to piss people off ... on purpose. You say 1/3rd are pissed now, but it was the 2/3rds that was pissed before ... so who do you listen to ? ... the 1/3rd or the 2/3rds ? I know who I would listen to.

I think that if the ENY disabler remains a part of the system, it will not exist in its current form ... it will be tweaked to make it not so "draconian". Its a work in progress.

If anything, the ENY disabler should promote more "teamwork". If you can't fly your B-17, then take a Buffalo form and get some escort to help you. Where you were able to fly lonewolf before would now require escort, seems to encourage "teamwork".
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2004, 10:03:49 AM »
It was broken.  They fixed it.  

Suck it up.

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2004, 10:09:34 AM »
Agreed Slapshot, something must have been way out of whack.
Like it or not, a hell of a gutsy move.
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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2004, 07:45:45 PM »
Let's try answering a few of these things.

1. What's so gutsy about listening to a few whines and implementing a quick fix that pisses off 1/3 of your customers?
I always thought one of the goals in AH was to get together with your countrymates and gobble up enough bases to win a reset. The Rooks figured out we could do this with joint ops _ no great amount of rocket science involved there. I can't understand why bish and knits couldn't say "Rooks squads all seem to be working together on Sundays, so why don't we make sure to work together on Sundays to bash their crenelated little skulls in." Instead, they said "Oh, it's not fair...."
So now we have a system that makes it even tougher to win resets. Why not just eliminate countries and make it a pure furball arena?

2. I can see why 2/3s of the player base aren't complaining. I wouldn't complain either if suddenly God came down from on high and said "Hey, I heard you're upset so _ in addition to all the other breaks I've cut you (cheap perk planes and multiplied perk points) I'm also going to give you a big advantage over your competitors. To hell with being fair." Heck, once I saw that I'd start complaining even more loudly, who knows what else the almighty might do to appease me and get me to shut up.
I'd like to see what happens when the other sides find themselves suddenly shut out of planes.

3. People who whined about getting ganged also had the option of changing sides or working together. They did neither, which is why we have this poorly thought out system.

4. People who belong to squads, particularly those like my squad which regularly fly with other squads to provide mutual support and fighter escort don't want to go changing sides every couple of days because we have a poorly thought out system.

5. I regularly fly with fighter escort or provide fighter escort. In fact, on our squad nights we normally launch 6-12 formations of buffs with a few 51s along to swat down whatever manages to survive a first pass, but that still doesn't mean I'm willing to severely cut my chances of surviving a mission just because someone else complains. In fact, the simple fact that I am flying with a bunch of buffs and fighters have people whining about being ganged, so don't give me this "Oh, you should fly with escort" and then go whining to Hitech "Oh, I'm being ganged." (see the entry on ganging and teamwork below.)

6. Getting ganged by a horde might not be teamwork, but it sure is if it's done right.

7. Yeah, yeah, yeah, score has nothing to do with skill but I still wish I could regularly crack the top 10. Do you think I was serious in that suggestion? I was trying to make a point about trying to be "fair" by limiting the options of some players. (All except that part about Westy being limited to PT boats _ I notice no one complained about that.)

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2004, 08:19:57 PM »
baine1,

Excellent post!  I agree totally.

Many Warbirders came here because they disliked the RPS (Rolling Plane Set) and the limitations it placed on their "rides".  I believe this to be much worse.  At least with the RPS, like plane sets duked it out.  Now we have 190's, La5's, 7's, and discount 262's against P-51B's and the like.

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2004, 09:23:25 PM »
BAINE1 ,

You are very insightful and have hit the nail on the head. I couldnt agree with you more

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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2004, 10:18:48 PM »
rgr on the score thingy baine1, just a thought, and this is for all board users, is while replying to a post or creating a thread please please put in a sig, as to who you are in game, so many have different ah message board handles verses their in game handle. It would be nice to pair the board handle  to the in-game handle.

I myself can't say much toward the eny value limiter and perk range, both time I was able to fly as knight,  the impact of the 2 was against knights,  we were unable to up P51Ds La7's etc..and all i saw flying in bish and rook was the ones we were limited to not have use of..... ( by the way, I fly the F4U1D  or 1C mainly, then F6F5, then 51D or 38 so it never really has affected me in any way to start with)

So I can only say it affects everyone the same the one's that asked for it and the ones that didn't.

so it seems like a  fair  decision. And it will be felt by all 3 countries at an given time individually or if player base is near equal not at all.
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Re: Re: Why not fix what's broke?
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2004, 04:51:07 AM »
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I also believe that HT does not do things that try to piss people off ... on purpose. You say 1/3rd are pissed now, but it was the 2/3rds that was pissed before ... so who do you listen to ? ... the 1/3rd or the 2/3rds ? I know who I would listen to.
I was going to say the same thing - almost word for word. slapshot.