Author Topic: The Greatest Generation  (Read 443 times)

Offline Nash

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11705
      • http://sbm.boomzoom.org/
The Greatest Generation
« on: December 23, 2004, 11:11:12 PM »
Greatest Generation? It would just be a guess.

It would be a guess, because it cannot be measured.

Every generation can see only three or so generations ahead, and three behind. So this generation will point to something that we can touch. Something that we can compare our own generation against.

Lets be honest... WWII looked like a hardcore pain in the arse. Like hell. The depression? Same thing. I certainly wouldn't want to go through that. So hats off, and credit where credit is due.

Since "The Greatest Generation" is a uniquely American construct (Brokaw), and since we know that there existed alongside the "Greatest Generation" many people from the same generation who happened to live in other countries founded thousands of years before America with pretty impressive generations of their own, lets keep it to American generations.

So....

The Greatest Generation were raised through the depression, fought in WWII, and went back home to create a decent, productive society.

Here's where my crap knowledge comes in... and hopefully gets rescued by you:

Before the Greatest Generation went off to war, they were raised by hard working Americans, many of which were poor immigrants struggling to make a better life. They raised the Greatest Generation despite the Depression. I believe they got their socks darned, walked a mile to school in some crappy church through 10 feet of snow and got an orange in their stocking for Christmas. Something like that. But... they prevailed (survived) and raised the Greatest Generation.

The generation before them?

I dunno... They worked in coal mines or factories with zero labor laws so they breathed in charcoal dust in some big arsed brick buildings - babysitting their 10 year-old kids by making them work too. That kind of thing.

Before that generation?

Uhm.. They were heading West... being tugged by horses and dodging arrows and injuns. Setting up ranches in the harshest conditions. WWII looked like hard work? To me, so does this.

Before that generation?

Becoming a Nation. Fighting hard to become a nation. Fighting the nation you left behind, and fighting amongst yourselves to become the nation you now are.

Before that Generation?

Leaving your family, your friends, and life as you knew it behind. Setting sail across the Atlantic in some sketchy boat to God knows what lay ahead. Just because.

So really.... How do you compare them? I find the whole thing pompous. And I think it's just because we can relate to the Greatest Generation much more easily than we can the generations that went before and produced the so-called Greatest Generation.

What makes a Greatest Generation? Is hardship the only criteria? Is it because in our generation there hasn't been hardship that we don't qualify?

If I ask SOB, who lives in Oregon, the most elusive question, from my home in Alberta, he could produce the answer in under 3 minutes. Any question.

That's our generation. That's what we did. It's not hardship, and I have no idea where it ranks in terms of the Greatest Generation. But it's something.

And what it is, like the product of the Greatest Generation, is the fruits of the labor that came before us. The factories that built the arms that the Greatest Generation used were built by the generations before them. Our freedoms and technology were set in motion by the generations that came before us.

We can see them then. If they could see us now. I'm sure they'd say it was all worth the struggle. And I'm sure that if the term "Greatest Generation" were ever used in their presence, they would dart their eyes away - embarrased - and pretend like they didn't even hear it.

If our generation sucks, it's probably because we feel comfortable using terms like The Greatest Generation.

Offline NUKE

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8599
      • Arizona Greens
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2004, 11:24:17 PM »
I have thought about this very same thing as recently as yesterday. At work, I brought up the soldiers in the American Revolution and the HARSE winter conditions they fought and lived in, almost with no cover or proper clothing. Those men were tough.

Not to mention WWI and the trenches with all the desease, infections......crap......har se arse crap.

American civil war conditions.

The "Greatest" generation is not something I'd be willing to quantify considering the past and the sacrifices so many generations endured and fought through.

That quality is with every generation imo. When humans really are pushed to either survive or give up, they will do some amazing things.

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2004, 09:09:15 AM »
I think Brokaw's book is definitey American based; by that I mean he could easily ahave titled it "The Greatest AMERICAN Generation".

Still, using generations from 1776 to present, I think he has it right.

I think that generation probably endured as much or more as any before it AND created/built more of our society than any other.... all while pretty much just shutting up and doing the job.

So, I buy his line. Just my .02.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Gonzo

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 29
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2004, 09:15:08 AM »
What I'm left with, even if S.O.B. can give an answer to any question in 3 minutes, is that our generation really hasn't done anything near as impressive as all the generations before us, and that's just kinda sad and depressing.:(

Offline DREDIOCK

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17773
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2004, 09:19:19 AM »
I think the so called "Greatest generation"
Is not a term that belongs to America alone but the world

thats what makes it the Greatest Generation.

It wasnt just one country that had to make the sacrifices but all countries.

Thats what makes it the Greatest Generation
Death is no easy answer
For those who wish to know
Ask those who have been before you
What fate the future holds
It ain't pretty

Offline Raubvogel

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3882
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2004, 09:46:34 AM »
I can see some of your points Nash, but here is what I think sets the so-called "Greatest Generation" apart from those that came before: They did what they did to make the world a better place, not just the US. Their actions affected the entire world. That's just my 2 cents, and I agree with Brokaw.

Offline weaselsan

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1147
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2004, 01:36:20 PM »
Since "The Greatest Generation" is a uniquely American construct (Brokaw), and since we know that there existed alongside the "Greatest Generation" many people from the same generation who happened to live in other countries founded thousands of years before America with pretty impressive generations of their own, lets keep it to American generations.

Screw the other countries, let them get their own greatest generation.....ours was the greasers of the fifties, of which I am a proud member.

Offline Mini D

  • Parolee
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6897
      • Fat Drunk Bastards
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2004, 01:58:31 PM »
I don't know what generation was the greatest... but I do know that the "craftsman" is dead.

Offline Nash

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11705
      • http://sbm.boomzoom.org/
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2004, 05:10:15 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
... but I do know that the "craftsman" is dead.


Aye...

Offline rpm

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15661
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2004, 06:49:34 PM »
I agree with Nash that it is american based. Nuke had a great point about the Civil War. Perspective is everything, and reading about stuff in a history book and having first hand stories told to you will definitely sway your opinion to the first hand stories. But consider this, if we EXCLUDE the 20th century first hand stories, who would the greatest generation be? Romans? They had a mighty impressive run. The Renaissance? That was quite a transition. How about prehistoric man? Running around dodging carniverous dinosaurs while managing to proliferate the species? You are the man/ape!
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Stay thirsty my friends.

Offline slimm50

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2684
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2004, 07:20:57 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Toad
I think Brokaw's book is definitey American based; by that I mean he could easily ahave titled it "The Greatest AMERICAN Generation".

Still, using generations from 1776 to present, I think he has it right.

I think that generation probably endured as much or more as any before it AND created/built more of our society than any other.... all while pretty much just shutting up and doing the job.

So, I buy his line. Just my .02.

I heard Bokaw explain that by this title he was trying to impart how he felt about the older people in his life, and really wasn't trying to define them for everyone else, or that he thought everyone would agree with him. This is not a direct quote, mind you, but what I infererred from what he said. Can't recall his exact words. He was simply trying to pay tribute to the people who faught that war, whether American, or not.

Offline JB88

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10980
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2004, 07:56:20 PM »
i have often wondered how people ended up settling where they did...like how did some guy stop in BFE south dakota and say...there it is!  shangrala.
this thread is doomed.
www.augustbach.com  

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. -Ulysses.

word.

Offline DieAz

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1439
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2004, 08:13:30 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mini D
I don't know what generation was the greatest... but I do know that the "craftsman" is dead.
 


not all are dead, still some around. just hard to find them sometimes.  though the ranks of craftsmen are getting smaller every day.

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
The Greatest Generation
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2004, 10:50:50 PM »
For those that don't think it's about his view of an American generation and actually have the book or have read it....

how many stories of people that he features in it are about people of non-US citizenship vs how many are about US citizens?
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!