North Africa 1944 a “What If” scenario

[eskimo2]

Here’s one thing I don’t like to see: one side (usually the Allies) having both the fastest and best turning planes.  If your flying LW and you meet a Hurri – Stang mix, your in serious trouble.  The stang will run you down and the Hurri will turn into you and blast you.  It happens all the time.  I’d rather run into four mustangs by myself than a Hurri – Stang mix.  The Hurri has such a significant turn advantage it really throws thing out of balance.

Tank-busting is a good intention, but the hurri will be used as a fighter 90% of the time.  If you need tankbusters give the Germans the Stuka and give the Allies a lend-lease SBD or IL-2 and call it a uber Fairey Battle.

eskimo

[Krusty]

If the F-8 is put in for tank busting (now with 12x rockets!) and the hurricane was put in for the same reason, then the hurricane needs to be the IID, not the IIC. IID is almost useless vs aircraft. Almost. It's rare to get kills on planes in it. And it's much easier to defeat as you have more leeway to position on it (snapshots won't blow you into a fireball instantly).

IID would make this a better setupd. 2 fighters, 1 ground attack, and 1 bomber each side. Good idea. Let us know how it turns out.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by eskimo2
Tank-busting is a good intention, but the hurri will be used as a fighter 90% of the time.  If you need tankbusters give the Germans the Stuka and give the Allies a lend-lease SBD or IL-2 and call it a uber Fairey Battle.

eskimo

This is a good idea  Eskimo. You probably won't see a lot of tanks.  If there should be a group of tanks the IL2 will work nicely, but will rarely be used as a fighter. Same can be said for the SBD. I believe the USAAF used SBD's in North Africa and called them A-34s.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by Krusty
If the F-8 is put in for tank busting (now with 12x rockets!) and the hurricane was put in for the same reason, then the hurricane needs to be the IID, not the IIC. IID is almost useless vs aircraft. Almost. It's rare to get kills on planes in it. And it's much easier to defeat as you have more leeway to position on it (snapshots won't blow you into a fireball instantly).

IID would make this a better setupd. 2 fighters, 1 ground attack, and 1 bomber each side. Good idea. Let us know how it turns out.

12x rockets!  Holy cow.

eskimo

[Reschke]

The F-8 is for tank killing as well. I will take the change on the Hurri under suggestions and will monitor its usage all weekend. At some point I will make a change to probably the IL-2 if its needed.

Thanks for the input gentlemen.

[Grits]

The IID wont be used as a fighter with the pair of .303's and the 40mm anti-tank guns, whereas the IL2 is an excellent field defence fighter.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Agreed.  The Hurri IID is useless in air to air compared to even the Hurri I.  Those 40mm just go right through most planes without doing any real damage (except the hole itself).  Its not like the 20mm HE rounds.

[TrueKill]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Agreed.  The Hurri IID is useless in air to air compared to even the Hurri I.  Those 40mm just go right through most planes without doing any real damage (except the hole itself).  Its not like the 20mm HE rounds.

even one 40mm will blow most planes to peices.

[Krusty]

TK is correct. You over-estimate AH2's complexity with hit detection It'll blow up any plane in one hit, BUT it's damn near impossible to get any hits ever to land on target.


IL2 is crap for busting tanks. Especially T34s. The 23mm guns won't do squat. But the 40mm guns of the IID will disable or kill the T34 and the panzer with just 2 rounds into the turret.

Plus I dogfight all the time in IL2s. Down low they turn better than most planes and are slower (allowing them to turn inside other turns) and the high number of 23mm rounds (plus 2x50cal) means it downs fighters usually in the first hit. Then again, the 190F-8 can also dogfight. I see nothing wrong with that part of the equation. It's the tank busting effectiveness that leads me to suggest the IID over the IL2.

The IIC sucks for tank busting. 4x20mm won't kill a T34, and have a slim chance of damaging a panzer. They just don't have the penetration most of the time.

[1K3]

(whistle blow)

didnt spitfire V/IX saw action too???

(ps replace hurri2c with 2d, add spit V or IX, and finally add the Fw-190A-5

(ducks and hides)

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by Krusty
TK is correct. You over-estimate AH2's complexity with hit detection It'll blow up any plane in one hit, BUT it's damn near impossible to get any hits ever to land on target.


IL2 is crap for busting tanks. Especially T34s. The 23mm guns won't do squat. But the 40mm guns of the IID will disable or kill the T34 and the panzer with just 2 rounds into the turret.

Plus I dogfight all the time in IL2s. Down low they turn better than most planes and are slower (allowing them to turn inside other turns) and the high number of 23mm rounds (plus 2x50cal) means it downs fighters usually in the first hit. Then again, the 190F-8 can also dogfight. I see nothing wrong with that part of the equation. It's the tank busting effectiveness that leads me to suggest the IID over the IL2.

The IIC sucks for tank busting. 4x20mm won't kill a T34, and have a slim chance of damaging a panzer. They just don't have the penetration most of the time.

I find the IL-2 to be a fine tank buster, but that is irrelevent because I agree that the Hurri D would be a better choice.  It also won't impact the air combat nearly as much as the IIC.

eskimo

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by 1K3
(whistle blow)

didnt spitfire V/IX saw action too???

(ps replace hurri2c with 2d, add spit V or IX, and finally add the Fw-190A-5

(ducks and hides)

Please don't.

- oldman

[Reschke]

I will not add a Spitfire to this setup....Take that as the gospel according to Reschke on my setup.