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Offline DipStick

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« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2005, 02:45:57 PM »
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Must be ManeTMP.  :)

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I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest.  Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.

How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!  

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Sorry but I'm willing to bet beet1e has a film of you doing just that, not more than a couple of years ago!

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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2005, 02:46:18 PM »
Probably spit-5.

Might suprise them in a P-51 especially if the la driver suks though.

C-Hawg would be great in the right hands, but not many know how to fly the F-4U very well.  It hasn't handled well for the last couple of years so it's fallen out of favor (IMHO) except for a select few purists.  Even a weeb used to be able to get good results from an F-4U but not in a long time.
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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2005, 02:50:22 PM »
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:

If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above

the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above
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So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
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« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2005, 03:14:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:

If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above

the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above
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So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.


Why would you let yourself get in that position to start with?  Good SA says you should have gotten out of Dodge a lot earlier.

But all in all, I would in that position pick a Dora.   Given the way I fight, I would be almost at the point of ripping a wing off because of speed.  The Spit would be a non-factor since he is co-E with me; his wings are ripping off.  The 109, even if he could get co-speed in a dive would be too compressed to do anything, the LA7 is 1.5K back and I would certainly be dragging them all into a slavering pack of friendlies.  What pack of friendlies?  The one I always fly close to of course.

All in all, given the way I normally fly, (fast), this would not be a problem.   :aok
« Last Edit: June 14, 2005, 03:22:14 PM by AKFokerFoder+ »

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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2005, 03:15:02 PM »
I can only answer from the F4U perspective.  Its the only one I really fly enough to know what I'd do (other than die quickly lol).

No distance is given for the co-alt spit, so I'm going to assume we are close to a merge.  With an La-7 1.5 back I have to assume that if I go vertical he's going to be on me like stink on doo doo.  I also know that the Spit can pull an immelman faster than me and probably have a guns solution just as I come over the top (depends on the pilot, but I try to assume on the first pass that he's better than me.......because he usually is :) ).  So I'd go into a high yo yo, and at the top of the bank look to see where the spit is and where the La is.  If the 109 is smart, he's staying out and watching for an opening, but I cant count on that either.  At the top of the yo yo bank, drop 1 notch of flaps and use the rudders to roll the plane in a corkscrew type move that still leaves me nose down, but facing the other way and 90 degrees away from my previous yo yo direction.  Kick in the WEP, point the nose at the ground, and try to get some separation.  

As they come around, lala outruns the spit chasing me.  Chop the throttle, drop flaps again, force an overshoot and try for a snapshot, then rudder around hard as the spit comes in.  Hope at least one of them augers or hits a tree and hope I manage to avoid both.  If the lala augers, I'm probably toast, but I'll try to keep forcing the spit to overshoot by scissoring on the deck and taking snapshots.  If the spit augers, I can take the lala or he runs off.  More than likely the timid 109 pilot will choose this moment to dive in, thinking I'm shot up, tired, and quit noticing him.  He'll probably be right and I'll die.  :)
« Last Edit: June 14, 2005, 03:17:20 PM by StarOfAfrica2 »

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« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2005, 03:20:15 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:

If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above

the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above
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So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.


Easy

Avoid the HO pass from the spit and keep flying straight.  That will leave the spit behind.  Keep going till the LA is 1K out.  If the 109 has not augered yet, ignore him, reverse and kill the LA7.  Go HO with the Spit (avoiding his 20mms) and continue straight till the spit is left behind.  If the 109 did not auger yet, is probably losing patience.  When he get 1K on your 6, reverse and kill him.  Go HO with the spit one more time and extend as far as you can just to get on his nerves.  By this time he hates you and is really nervus cause he is all alone.  Get some speed, reverse, go HO one more time (avoiding is bullets) and extend again.  While extending, enjoy the chan 200 comments.  Finally, reverse and engage the spit.  By this time he wont be able to think straight and you should be able to kill him :lol  :lol  :lol
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« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2005, 03:22:20 PM »
LOL, that sounds simple.
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« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2005, 03:57:44 PM »
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I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest.  Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.

How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!  

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LMAO!  Your reputation preceded you, but luckily I had some Glade. hee hee  Dweeb!

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« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2005, 04:09:07 PM »
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Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
Me being in the ole trusty BlueV.  Prolly would engage spit and try to disable him quickly in second merge at top, dodge the la7 cannons as he passes by, nose down just a bit, check for position of 109, bait him to dive in verticle attempt, after dodging cannon of 109 do tight roll on la7, pop cannons at la7 from inverted position, check 109, if all shots made their mark then I would nose down for speed while setting up reversal on 109.  109 has lost some E comes in hot misses and goes vertical, this happens three more times, 109 gets impatient and loses too much E, I tight roll him and pop canopy with lone 303 round, 109 pilot loses conciousness in dive back down on me and hits tree limb. I win.

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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2005, 04:15:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:

If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above

the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above
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So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.



DIVE DIVE DIVE!!!! run home and bail out to enjoy a nice float back to the ground while they get shot down by the ack.

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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2005, 05:56:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.

Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:

If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above

the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above
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So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.



I already said what I'd do that situation.  Go for the Spitfire first, since he'd be the biggest threat to me.  Then go after the 109 and La7 if they stick around after seeing their spit buddy go down in flames.  


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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2005, 06:10:33 PM »
i would better think what plane to fly next sortie
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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2005, 06:47:49 PM »
190D.

pull slight up on the "HO" merge, then 90deg roll, and rudder to put nose down.

as the spit passes (and if you did it right he will most likely miss) you manually trim nose down about 75%, and 15% right aileron.

level off, and wait until the LA is 1000k behind. by now the spit should be turned back, probably about 3k back maybe 2.5

chop throttle to zero, right full rudder, and slight bank right. you will pivot, and lose tons of E, and the LA will overshoot (again if you do it right).

as soon as the LA is missing (gotta time this right) you WEP,  and go into a right barrel roll. if the 109 was an E he has zero roll rate, and turns will be severly limited because of his speed diving on you. as he pulls up you might or might not get a shot, but either way he's almost no threat.

during the barrel roll look for the deflection on the spit, and cut throttle if needed.

comming out of the barrel roll, you probably will be at flap speed or close. drop flaps and start a scissors ont he LA that is now WEPping back into the fight.

from there you shoudl not be in emminent danger of being shot, and either be able to pop the LA or extend if you miss the defelction, and start with another barrel roll chopped throttle at d1000



at least thats what i'd do
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« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2005, 01:14:07 AM »
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest.  Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.

How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!  

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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2005, 07:27:10 AM »
P40b... watch all auger as they sweep for the easy kill