Teaser..."That's Italian!"

[thrila]

Krusty i don't understand how you can take that position when the ki84 is exactly the same.

[storch]

I really didn't want this to degenerate to these levels but the Ki84 is nowhere near the level of bravo sierra demonstrated by the spitV.  I will refrain from any additional comments on this topic as it is certainly committing one or more of the sixteen deadly sins.  

[Grits]

Ki84 is one of the best planes in the game, perked or not, but it is not easy to extract its best performance.

Just so eveyone knows, I love the Spit V, and I have no idea if it is overmodeled, but what I do know without a shadow of a doubt, is that with 16+ boost the 109F (even if it is at a '42 rated boost level) is not an enjoyable match, while those two planes with the Spit V at 12+ is the best in the game. The 109G-2 has a performance edge that makes it a good match again, but in a '41 set....no G-2.

Think about it this way, dont we all hate timid high alt snore-n-bore fights that usually go nowhere until several other show up to the point you cant dodge all the snore-n-bore attempts anymore? This is what results from a 16+ Spit V and a 109F matchup, the 109F has ZERO chance unless it has a substantial advantage. This results in wide spread timidity, and a vacant CT for that week. Who wants that?

So, to sum up:

I agree the Spit V was cleared for 16+ boost in '42

I agree the 109F is also at a '42 boost rating

I think that if the next version LW planes, the 109G-2, 190A-5, or C.205 are present the Spit V is no issue

I know the 16+ boost Spit V and 109F matchup is one of the worst in the game, whereas the 12+ Spit V vs 109F was the best.

[StarOfAfrica2]

This is why I refused to get into this argument.  Because it becomes an argument.

Whether the SpitV was cleared for +16 boost in '42 or not, how many planes actually flew with it?  There is no hard and fast data.  There's nothing to say that any frontline units still using the SpitV in '43 (which by then were converting to the SpitIX) actually did run at +16 boost, or used the lesser rating to try to extend the life of the aircraft.  I've never seen it said; if you can link me to something, or provide a book I can read on this that states clearly (even if it's only someone's opinion) that everyone jumped on this and switched the planes in service over to the higher boost, I'll be glad to change my mind.  What I do know is that what I have read from pilots flying the Spits in '43 who converted to the IX during this time said the difference was "like night and day" between the two.  There is little to no difference in the SpitV we have modelled and the SpitIX we have modelled.  Plus, the +16 boost SpitV was in use for so little time (if it was actually used that much) it seems silly to have it here, when the +12 rating was far more common during the period of heaviest deployment for this version.

Again, this is my opinion.  I dont have any hard facts either way.  If someone can supply them, I'll be glad to look at it and change my mind.  Whats done is done though.  I'd much rather drop the whole thing and just enjoy the setup the CM team worked so hard to provide for us.  Thanks again guys, the map looks great