Author Topic: Perks.... formation vs solo bombing question (Read 458 times)

kit600ana · « **on:** October 14, 2005, 08:25:41 AM »

do you get more, less, or the same amount of perk points if you go in a formation, if you go solo bomber?

if formation, how many planes do you need to make it back in? do points change if you start out in three, and only come back with 2 or one?

Schatzi · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2005, 08:31:53 AM »

I think you get the same amount of perks if you go single or formation. And for getting the landed victories credit, you only have to land with at least one bomber.

But upping a formation counts as three sorties (score wise), meaning you have to pay 3 times the perks for arado. When you land only two or one of them, they are counted as 1 respectively 2 deaths.

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2005, 12:57:16 AM »

But with 3x the ord you land 3x the hits and 3x the score.

kit600ana · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2005, 01:10:26 AM »

but are you sure that score is not divided by three then since it was more or less two plans dropping bombs for free.... you could drop and then just turn hard lose the wing planes and just run back to base and land.....

i have had successful drops, taken out alot of stuff, come back land with all three... and get like 1.34 perk points.... so whats up with that?

OOZ662 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2005, 01:49:19 AM »

Every plane lost counts as a death. Every plane lifted counts as a sortie.

1 formation, 3 sorties, 3 deaths.

kit600ana · « **Reply #5 on:** October 15, 2005, 02:06:37 AM »

i know this, and i am not sure what that has to do with my scoring question..................... ....

OOZ662 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 15, 2005, 03:18:04 AM »

Then you don't know what you're asking. Are you asking about perk points or scores?

In perks, you lose perks for EACH bomber lost. You gain the same amount for every kill regardless of formation or not, due to the way the entire perk system works.

In scores, every formation counts as three sorties. This results in three deaths if you die and three landings if you land.

kit600ana · « **Reply #7 on:** October 15, 2005, 03:21:05 AM »

i am tlaking about scoring perk points for flights.

so tell me why when i a formation of three... score significant hits.... 30/10 ration for perks, land all three....... i only get like 1.36 ect whatever perks for a flight?

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** October 15, 2005, 10:46:39 AM »

Considering that you ARE in a perk plane, it will be harder to get any positive score. The fact you DID have a positive score says something. The Arado has at most 3x bombs, 9x in formation. That's not a lot of bombs. Even if every bomb lands on target, you only get so many points, which are then divided by the ENY of the Arado (can't remember what it is) in some equation. So the fact that you have a perk plane to start with means that it's harder off-the-bat to get decent scores.

I had a Ta152 (perk price and eny: 6) and took out a formation of B24s, took a hit to the radiator as I used my last rounds, got the last kill, and landed asap. For 3 B24s I only got 0.75, because I was in an Eny 6 plane and B24s are Eny 10 (I think).

It's all convoluted, just suffice it to say "Perk planes require a LOT more effort to get any decent score out of".

Schutt · « **Reply #9 on:** October 15, 2005, 11:25:36 AM »

first of dont use score and perks in the same sentance as it will confuse the readers as you see. Score is mostly used in the classification of the score on the ranking list.

Where did you put that you used arados? i missed that.

Perk points you get for killing valid targets. I think with bombers you only get perks for ground targets destroyed with bombs, dont know if vehicle give any perk points when destroyed with bombs?

I think its only interesting what worth of targets you destroyed and not how many bombers you flew. 3 bombers destroying the same targets as one bomber should give you the same number of perks as one bomber destroying the same number of targets.

Maybe a bomber guy can give a definite anwser... to this question.

That would in turn mean that you can get more perks in a formation since you can destroy 3 times as many targets.

PS: The problem of your question is that it is not clear what you ask. i dont see any mentioning of perk bombers, do you mean you fly arados or a normal bomber? It is not clear if you mean that you get more or less perks for the same number of targets destroyed, or if you want to know weather its more perks or the same amount if you destroy 3 times the ammount of targets with 3 bombers?

Schutt · « **Reply #10 on:** October 15, 2005, 01:14:33 PM »

Ok tried the following:

a) up 1 b24, note the eny multiplyer (0.74) and destroy 1 vh with all the bombs.

b) up a formation of b24, note eny multiplier (0.71) and destroy 1 vh with all the bombs (what a waste)

after that bail and parachute, get a captured.

a gives 0.3 perk points, b gives 0.28 perk points. The diffrence explains due to the diffrent eny multiplier at take off, divide by the multiplier and get 0.40 after rounding in both cases.

This means there is no change to the ammount of perks you get for one building, no matter if you use 1 bomber or a formation. Of course, with a formation you could destroy more buildings giving you more perks.

Does that anwser your question?

kit600ana · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2005, 01:43:50 PM »

ok krusty wrote that last one, not me....... i dont know whats hes talking about.. with the arado... i never said i was using a perk plane.... yes i am talking about bombing......... people are giving me all this tangent info, most that i know that does not have to do with what i am asking.... i am just going to make a new thread later and spell out exactly what i am trying to find out thanks.

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2005, 04:29:29 PM »

I rarely fly bomber formations but my take on it is this.
Since each bomber in the formation counts as a sortie, they also each score perks based on their individual performance. Meaning that if each bomber destroyed a builiding and earned 0.5 perk each (just made up numbers here, it depends on building- and bomber type) and 2 landed safely while one died, you would earn.

0.5*1.25 + 0.5*1.25 + 0.5*1.00 = 1.75

If all 3 returned it would be 1.875, if only one returned it would be 1.625 and if all died you would get 1.5.
Basically the bombers that return get the 25% bonus, the ones that get any other result (ditch, death, bail ect.) doesn't.
Now if one of your bombers have been shot down it depends on whether it actually had earned any perks before that. If it didn't you wouldn't have earned more perks by returning it. You COULD imagine all damage done to a building happend by just one of your bombers, in which case you (perk wise) can ignore whether or not the other two planes return. Hope that makes sense.

So just to sum up and make sure I have answered your questions I take them here.

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do you get more, less, or the same amount of perk points if you go in a formation, if you go solo bomber?

You will get more in 99% of cases with formation since you simply do more damage.

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if formation, how many planes do you need to make it back in? do points change if you start out in three, and only come back with 2 or one?

You will get a 25% perk bonus for each plane that returns, whether in formtion or not. Each plane has it's own perk calculation, so the perk points earned could be different depending on which plane in the formation you loose.