Author Topic: The Clinton/Muslim connection (Read 2020 times)

Nash · « **Reply #30 on:** September 28, 2001, 12:47:00 PM »

Rip, ya took a "right of center"... <cough> news item reported by a right of center <cough> news rag that detailed the <cough> actions of a right of center <cough> law organization.... to make some kind of point?

What's the point again? That Clinton didn't audit the terrorists? That's like saying he was negligent because someone in Ohio was arrested for domestic abuse yet bin Laden still walks free..... or something.

What in the world are you trying to say anyway?... I don't get it at all.

batdog · « **Reply #31 on:** September 28, 2001, 12:53:00 PM »

Clinton in office was like having Sat Night Live in the White House running amok. Its so stupid its funny.

xBAT

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #32 on:** September 28, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »

I have to agree with Nash on this one. This is completely irrelevant.

When there are so many valid reasons not to like Clinton, I fail to see why things have to be hyped/distorted/created.

AKDejaVu

Toad · « **Reply #33 on:** September 28, 2001, 01:00:00 PM »

Perhaps I could have been more clear.

Note that I agree I did not attempt answer either of Dowding's "two questions" in my first post.

I'm just a bit tired of the entire "US supported bad guys" litany. I think that clearly shows as the focus of the post in question.

I answered in an "overview". IE: the whole idea of "assigning blame" for the "US gave arms/support to bad guys" argument is bogus because the underlying assumption is that there was always an obvious choice to be made between good and bad guys. I don't think that is/was ever the case.

No, I don't like Clinton... but US Foreign Policy hasn't been a real strong point under any President in my lifetime. So, that's not why I disdain Clinton. But I didn't hammer Clinton in this thread.

As to the rest, I did NOT direct the "hiding a smile" at any individual. It is an overall observation as well.

Abortion? Dowding must be confusing me with someone else. I clearly remember stating my personal position towards the end of the thread... and he totally misrepresents it. What I said was each person will have to make his/her own determination on "when life begins". It can't be earlier than "egg meets sperm" and it can't be later than cutting the umbilical and having a surviving organism. Now, wherever a person draws that "personal" line is his business. He only has to answer to himself and the Almighty (if there is one.) I'm a conservative gambler; others are not. THAT'S what I said. Hardly "black and white".

That clear it up?

As to where you get your news....

Seems to me that most people here think that the news source that most closely concurs with their personal POV is the most correct/reliable. Thus, new sources that disagree are totally incorrect/unreliable.

I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in between. Is that black and white enough?

Nash · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2001, 01:10:00 PM »

"I answered in an "overview". IE: the whole idea of "assigning blame" for the "US gave arms/support to bad guys" argument is bogus..." - Toad

"Busy morning for me, just came on..concur with Toad." - Ripsnort

Yup, clear enough for me.

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2001, 01:26:00 PM »

What can I say... I live to teach.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2001, 01:26:00 PM »

So, nobody has to guess where I’m coming from I'm a democrat, card cary'n union member.
Didn’t vote for Bush (either of them) didn't vote for Reagan (I still suspect Bush senior hired him to just act as president so he could beat the 2 term limit- only half kidding here)
I think most of Bush's policies are hell for the American working man (lowering work place safety standards and the like). Oh ya and I think he's a moron too.

However, since 9-11 I’ve kept my mouth shut, I’ve seen the need for use to grow together as a country and my complaints with this administration are trivial compared to the situation we now find ourselves in.

What pisses me off though is that many of the very people who are the first to jump up and wave the flag and say lets put our differences aside and come together to defend our country are still taking shots at the democrats. I guess they just want others to put aside their differences but aren't willing to do the same themselves.

So far I think Bush is doing well in this crisis, I’ve got no complaints with the way he has handled it this far and I sure don't envy the hard decisions he has ahead of him.

Most Americans who didn't vote for bush (and that is most Americans, remember) have come to support him in this time of crisis, last I heard his approval rating was 89%.

So if us democrats can manage to put aside our issues and come stand together with the republicans the least you guys could do is stop taking pot shots at us while we have been honoring the 'cease fire' against you

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Udie · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2001, 01:42:00 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy:
So, nobody has to guess where I’m coming from I'm a democrat, card cary'n union member.
Didn’t vote for Bush (either of them) didn't vote for Reagan (I still suspect Bush senior hired him to just act as president so he could get beat the 2 term limit- only half kidding here)
I think most of Bush's policies are hell for the American working man (lowering work place safety standards and the like). Oh ya and I think he's a moron too.

However, since 9-11 I’ve kept my mouth shut, I’ve seen the need for use to grow together as a country and my complaints with this administration are trivial compared to the situation we now find ourselves in.

What pisses me off though is that many of the very people who are the first to jump up and wave the flag and say lets put our differences aside and come together to defend our country are still taking shots at the democrats. I guess they just want others to put aside their differences but aren't willing to do the same themselves.

So far I think Bush is doing well in this crisis, I’ve got no complaints with the way he has handled it this far and I sure don't envy the hard decisions he has ahead of him.

Most Americans who didn't vote for bush (and that is most Americans, remember) have come to support him in this time of crisis, last I heard his approval rating was 89%.

So if us democrats can manage to put aside our issues and come stand together with the republicans the least you guys could do is stop taking pot shots at us while we have been honoring the 'cease fire' against you

Not all repub's are taking pot shots

our debate can wait for another day. Who knows maybe we'll all come to the table a little more wise. I've been really impressed with the Democratic leadership in the congress, except for the one instance of Hillary rolling her eyes during the President's speech. Other than that I think they have been upstanding patriots!

U

[ 09-28-2001: Message edited by: Udie ]

Dowding · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2001, 05:01:00 PM »

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I'm just a bit tired of the entire "US supported bad guys" litany. I think that clearly shows as the focus of the post in question.

That's where you are wrong. There was no judgement of past Presidents, but a simple statement of fact - other Presidents have committed questionable acts, are they less culpable than Clinton? It was a direct response to Ripsnort's post and the topic of this thread.

You then posted a tirade based on my apparent 'litany' - forgive me for thinking it had anything to do with this thread. I hope the quote below explains why I might have thought so.

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I answered in an "overview". IE: the whole idea of "assigning blame" for the "US gave arms/support to bad guys" argument is bogus because the underlying assumption is that there was always an obvious choice to be made between good and bad guys. I don't think that is/was ever the case.

That's exactly why I thought you were disagreeing with Ripsort's original post.

Toad · « **Reply #39 on:** September 28, 2001, 06:41:00 PM »

Tirade?

Tender, aren't you.

I basically have no idea what you are on about.

Ta-ta!

ispar · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2001, 10:37:00 PM »

Sorry Rip, but this is just shameful.

Cabby, you once again say just the right things to convince me further of your simple stupidity. I think that case of rabies is getting worse... you are less and less rational with every post. Not that your rationale is measurable at this point.