Author Topic: First (and almost last) trip of my RC pirate sloop (crappy pics and crappier movies!)  (Read 387 times)

Offline deSelys

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The ideas behind this project date from looooooong ago: when I was a kid, I was playing with Playmobils, high quality plastic action figures made in Germany. I had cowboys, construction workers, cops, you name it. But there also was a terrific pirate 2 masts ship which was kicking my saliva glands into overdrive. It was fully crewed, equipped with 4 cannons firing plastic balls, a crane, a working anchor, and a lot of small pieces like cutlasses, pikes, knives, pistols, muskets, gold pieces, lanterns,... It was equipped with wheels to play on flat surfaces but most of all it was able to sail  on calm waters. It was way too expensive for my parents but fortunately my neighbour kid had it and he, my brother and I spent some long afternoons sailing across the seven carpets, looking for glory and fortune... Haaarrrrrrr!

In Europe, Playmobil is a lego-like success story. 30 years later, they are making the same products, as sturdy as before but better looking. Guess what, my kids love them.
(You can check their products here. As you can see, the pirate ship is still produced with some minor improvements. It is priced around 100-120 €.)

2 years ago, they made a special edition pirate sloop (1 mast) priced around 50 €... At the time, my kids were already playing with modern playmobils and also with my old ones (well, the ones who survived firecrackers and BB rifle assaults), but they weren't really into the pirate serie. I wanted to buy the sloop for them but I wasn't sure that they would appreciate it much... until I saw it one day priced at less than 30 €! I couldn't resist anymore and bought it as a complement to their Saint Nicholas (in Belgium, we give toys to our children the 6th of December instead of Christmas. Don't ask me why). I spent a whole evening assembling it and rigging the sails. The playmobil kits are always very well done and fitting perfectly, but this one was much more complex than the average.

Anyway, the kids were happy but they never played with it as much as with the rest. So 2 weeks ago, I picked it from their toys and decided to try to fit a RC unit that I had bought at least 9 years ago....and never used.

First, I was suprised to see that the 2 servos were working perfectly. Kudos to Graupner for the reliability...

Then I decided to avoid drilling and cutting in the frame. I wanted to be able to give the ship back to the kids as it was, and I only used double side and heavy duty tape to mount the servos and a functional rudder.

Here is the result:











Here is a 4 MB movie of the servos actuating the rudder and the mizzen.

About the sails, the fore staysail is fixed while the square mainsail can pan a bit left and right to catch the wind. I tried to control the mizzen with the second servo but it proved to be mostly useless: the amount of travel is too short to have full control while the hinges supporting the mizzen booms were to stiff to allow the sail to fly freely. It turned out that the amount of wind needed to make the hinges move was nearly enough to make the sloop capsize!

The state-of-the-art rudder ;) (wood piece and adhesive tape) did a so-so job. The ship was turning correctly to the right but poorly to the left due to some flexing, and I wasn't able to set it up so that the sloop could run straight!
« Last Edit: November 28, 2005, 07:08:37 PM by deSelys »
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In front of our house, there is a park with a big pond (around 200m wide) with a reserved area for rc boats: the perfect area of operation the tiny man-of-war.

1 week ago, I took it to the pond (with the whole family) for a very short test trip in almost nil winds. The kids were all excited about it at first but it quickly became anticlimatic: the sloop was lazily drifting at a snail's pace. As the sun was setting, I wasn't able to make a longer trip.


Yesterday afternoon, the winds were light but (in my landlubber opinion) adequate for the pirate sloop.
I announced to the family that we would be going back but the crew's enthusiasm was low! (In all honesty, it was almost freezing and the clouds were uniformly gray). Big sissy like I am, I preferred to avoid a mutiny and left alone.

Nobody else was I tried to pinpoint the wind direction and after a few short trials, I put the boat into the water at the point marked start:



It quickly sailed away and I immediately realized that the amount of control I had over it was not as high as hoped. With a square sail, I knew that I wouldn't be able to sail close to the wind. But I was quickly to discover two other nasty effects: first, with the wind coming from the side, the flat bottom caused it to make some important leeway. I was uncomfortable to see it get closer to the buoys marking the zone for rc boats as a line is running between some of the buoys. Then, the boat began to take erratics turns. As it was quite small and already far away, it was hard to see where it was headed and a cold sweat began to run down my back... I managed to guide it closer to the opposite side but it was now really hard to see what was going on so I ran around the round corner of the pond. When I arrived, the sloop was maybe five meters away and I was already expecting to recover it soon... Not so easily! The winds shifted, the ship backed and sailed in the opposite direction!
What the heck?? Oh well, I'll try to make it reach the side where it started. Mmmmh, again it becomes hard to see! I'll run to the other side...quick! there it is, a few more meters...WHAT!? AAAAAaaaargh he goes back again...

And so on. I think I've run around two or three times trying to catch it. I must've been quite a sight: a grown-up man frantically running in the mud while holding a rc transmitter and looking for a small toy...

Then a man, who told me later that he was observing me for quite a while, asked me if I needed help. He had been RC sailing earlier and was packing up when I arrived. He told me that the shifting winds were in fact turbulences caused by the building of the swimming pool and that I should try to leave that spot asap. As I was still struggling to keep the sloop from wind vaning, I gave him the transmitter, hoping that he would be able to recover the sloop.

Well, he didn't do much better than I, but this gave me the opportunity to take some pics of the action:







I also made a 14 MB movie while swans and ducks were inspecting the strange visitor (at this time backing a bit): here

At this point, I had been busy for the best part of an hour with my radio-(un)controlled pirate sloop. The man (I forgot to ask his name later) went back to his car and began to ready his race sailship to try and push me out of the Bermuda triangle. Then, while I was rowing with the rudder and trying hard to keep the same heading, I picked a friendly wind and was able to pass between to buoy and sail towards the center of the pond. The sloop was really hard to see now and I ran hard to go to the far opposite side. The ship was making good advance now, and I must say that it looked terrific with a light wind stable in the rear quarter. It was leaning a bit downwind and its speed was realistic with its scale. I really regret not having thought about filming it at this moment. When it was a couple of meters away from me, and as it was sailing so nicely, I decided to turn left and make it sail close to the side for as long as possible.

It went well for a couple of meters then, suddenly, it leaned strongly to the side, took some water in and capsized. I immediately picked it out but the rc receiver was already full of water. I don't know what happened: a gust, a wave ricocheting against the concrete side of the pond and hitting the hull at a bad moment, or a combination of the two...

Anyway, I had recovered it and it was enough for me. I went to thank the rc sailer and saw how much his race beast was lightyears from my toy. He told me that he won the belgian championship in 2004 but in all modesty...after all, they are only 11 to compete in his league LOL.

The only thing that irked me was his comment when he saw the sloop from up close= "that's really cute..." Cute?! It's a pirate ship, dang it ;-)

When I arrived home, I earned a raised eyebrow for the late hour and another one for the jeans heavily stained with mud...I mumbled some explanations but I knew that it wasn't worth the effort: women can't understand this kind of thing.

I had to dismantle the whole installation to hairdry the electronics and let the hull dry but I don't regret it. I think that I'll make a better rudder and put all the RC stuff inside.



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Offline lasersailor184

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The problem is the square sail and lack of triangular sails.  As time went on, they kept adding regular sails and taking away the other sails to the point where there were no rectangular sails left.


Though that does not mean it's undoable.  The vikings were very good at it.

One time they tried to raid a village.  They got beaten back on to the ship and chased out to sea.  They sailed their boat so fast and so close to the wind that when they were finally caught, they tried and executed the Viking Captain for Witchcraft.


Looking over your boat again, I do believe the lack of a keel would be problematic.
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Neato!

I have a 4' sailboat that I bought at a garage sale for $1 and it works perfectly.  It does not look nearly as cool as yours though.  Playmobile rules; my daughters have some of those toys.  My favorites are the pirates and Vikings.

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Thanks for the advices, Lasersailor.

I plan to make a decent rudder (no more tape, it will be properly fixed this time) and put all the rc stuff inside the hull, under the deck. I'll try to make a better use of the sail servo, with a much longer travel. I'll remove the square sail and only keep the mizzen and the fore staysail (maybe I'll need to make this one bigger). I'll try to put oil on the hinges of the mizzen booms and see if it makes it easier to move. Finally, I'll remove the ballast and make a keel instead. The sloop should hold the sea much better and should be able to sail closer to the wind.


Then I'll prolly buy the playmobil drakkar....

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rotlf :)

I ordered one for my son  (or his little father :D)

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Nice one Des (ex-playmobil fan here too). The only thing I would have added was some sort of firecracker in the cannons to scare those pesky birds away. (knowing belgium... it's probably illegal).

oh, and you cheap git... you're supposed to give presents at St Nicolas AND Xmass :D :p
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That Playmobil sloop has vastly better quality than the stuff that company sold when I was a kid.  Lego, on the other hand, seemingly has done the reverse and has constantly reduced its quality.

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im not brian sergon RC'er but ild say a Keel and some Ballast really would help stop her from going over.  and a better sail is a must! needs to be black with the white skull and X bones.
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Thats so....Cute!!

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lol, pwned!
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Now THAT is some creative thinking!

I think you deserve a seamanship medal just for attempting such a venture, and successfully (sort of) pulling it off!

You gotta post that narrative on http://groups.yahoo.com/shipmodels.  It doesn't deserve to get buried here.  

That's classic!

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I must say, very cool.  Would it have helped to have 2 connections from the rudder to the servo?  1 on each side?  Seems like it might be a little underpowered but i'm no expert.  Oh and I used to have a playmobil set, was fun.
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I was playing with Playmobils, high quality plastic action figures made in Germany. I had cowboys, construction workers, cops, you name it.


Was that the Village People package? :)

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