Author Topic: Another American Icon bites the dust  (Read 739 times)

Offline tce2506

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 133
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2006, 07:55:40 AM »
Nirvana, Just buy a Kimber Rifle. Much better than Winchester anyway.

storch

  • Guest
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2006, 08:01:28 AM »
marlin 336

Offline Airscrew

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4808
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2006, 08:04:37 AM »
Does Ruger still make the 10/22 and .223?   and Marlin used to have 30-30 also.

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2006, 08:05:42 AM »
SOF... most of the 57 chevies you see running around have jap and taiwan parts on em.   You can buy a 69 camaro bocy made in taiwan.

lazs

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2006, 08:08:29 AM »
I think you'll find the Kimbers just slightly more expensive than a Winchester. Good gun though.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline FiLtH

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6448
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2006, 08:14:38 AM »
"Ah...how do you get you clothes so bwight Mr. Smith?"

 "Ancient American secret Mr. Chang."

  Look who is doing the laundry.

~AoM~

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2006, 09:17:15 AM »
I am a Kimber pistol fan.

lazs

Offline Bodhi

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8698
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2006, 10:32:18 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Hajo
Our Political leadership has let this happen and the divide between the outrageously rich and the so called middle class widens everyday.  Seems we're headed to a two class level of society.


Hajo,

Our political leadership HAS let it happen, while we all have stood by and watched.  Voting Democrat, or Republican is not going to change it either.  It's gonna require a total gutting of our house, senate, and white house to get rid of all the these special interest group law makers.

How long you think it will take for that to happen?  :rolleyes:

Sadly I think it will not in my life time, as for the most part, myself included, people vote for one major party to ensure the other's does not get in...  Sad huh?  :furious
I regret doing business with TD Computer Systems.

Offline Boroda

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5755
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2006, 11:05:13 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime
But that has nothing to do with my remorse at the loss of another traditional American industry to foriegn cheap labor.. this crap keeps happening because for some damn reason we don't deal with forigen trade tarrifs and import duties with an even-handed 'Whatever YOUR trade rules, tarrifs and taxes are on US made goods exported to your country, so be OURS upon YOURS."


Hang, look at US tariff policy regarding Russian metallurgical production. Also see what happens when Russia stops importing American chicken meat, all your authorities start screaming about "non-market economics" and "return to communism", while all we need is that US chicken farms following at least some hygienical, epidemiological or drug-using standards.

Can anyone remind me of what happened to Australian pork production? IIRC US simply declared that Australia should lower their custom tariffs so US can export pork to Australia, and it killed Australian pork farms.

As usual - instead of fair competition you act like international gangsters, and still teach everyone "democracy" and "capitalism". You get exactly what you deserve. Your "post-industrial economics" is a bubble that will blow up sooner or later, and it will be a huge problem for the whole world, not only for the people responsible for it :(

Offline rshubert

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1462
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2006, 11:41:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by lasersailor184
I'd be more inclined to think that it is a shifting market that did Winchester in, not anything else.  Recently, more and more plastic guns are being designed and sold.  Their popularity and amount will act as the opposite to the popularity and amount of the old classics.


It's not just plastic guns.  Winchester competes against a variety of foreign manufacturers and two or three VERY EFFICIENT US manufacturers--Savage, Marlin,  Remington and Ruger, to name a few.  The quality of their product has suffered as their equipment has aged, and they have refused to modernize their facility.  When outfits like Kimber (makes rifles using modern equipment) and others can produce a higher quality piece at a lower cost, the writing is on the wall.

Winchester priced their "savior" shotgun (the x-2) at the same price point as a berretta, but it wasn't as good as a berretta or even a remington.

There seems to be two ways to make money in the gun business--use overseas cheap labor, hand fitting, and old machinery to make a good quality product, or use modern machining centers to eliminate hand fitting to make a good product.  Using old equipment and expensive domestic labor to make a good product won't survive.


Offline Yeager

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10167
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2006, 01:43:10 PM »
Where there is a demand for a thing to be made, some maker will satisfy  that demand.
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

Offline lazs2

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 24886
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2006, 02:25:17 PM »
boroda... you think we are bad?   wait till you rubes start dealing with the japs.

lazs

Offline Hangtime

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10148
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2006, 02:36:39 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Pooh21
Back in the day it used to be useful for sticking arrows through armoured frenchtype people and cavalrymen.

now they turned it into a brokeback type thing with levers and gears, and 5 strings, and a stick sticking out the front(what the devl is that stupid stick for? bayonet?) and all these doodads, and you have to let it drop horizontal after each shot.


Back in the day we'd wipe our tulips with the horses tail, take scalps and do week long binge drunk rapefests at the village next valley over.

*sigh*

why does everybody always overcomplicate things?

The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

Offline Heretik

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 596
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2006, 03:12:52 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Hangtime
Back in the day we'd wipe our tulips with the horses tail, take scalps and do week long binge drunk rapefests at the village next valley over.

*sigh*

why does everybody always overcomplicate things?

 


I lived in a reservation border town for a few years.  Not all that much has changed.

Offline StarOfAfrica2

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5162
      • http://www.vf-17.org
Another American Icon bites the dust
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2006, 04:42:39 PM »
Just a couple of notes.

Olin has licensed the name Winchester to USRA through 2007.  After that, I assume it will be available again.

Right now, the only 100% American firearms manufacturer I know of is Sturm, Ruger & Co.  If ANYONE ought to buy the Winchester name and product line, its Ruger.  The products would fill a hole in their catalog, and vise versa.  They would complement each other well.  Probably wont happen, but I can hope.

Browning is handling all service repairs for Winchester made guns as of now, via USRA customer service.

This is the official story from the AP.

Quote
End of an era as Winchester rifle plant prepares to close

By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer

January 17, 2006, 3:10 PM EST

NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- U.S. Repeating Arms said Tuesday it will close its Winchester firearm factory, threatening the future of a rifle that pioneers toted into the Wild West and John Wayne hoisted onto the big screen.

"It's part of who we are as a nation just like it's part of who we are as a city. It's the gun that won the West," Mayor John DeStefano said. "What are we going to have, Winchester rifles manufactured in China? Is this what we're coming to?"


The announcement touched off a lobbying effort by city officials and union leaders who hoped to find someone to buy the plant before it closes March 31. If no buyer comes forward, it could spell the end for nearly all commercially produced Winchesters, said Everett Corey, a representative of the International Association of Machinists District 26.

"Winchester would be pretty much defunct," he said. "They're not going to produce them, other than a couple custom-type models."

The company has been plagued by slumping firearm sales. More than 19,000 worked there during World War II, but the plant employs fewer than 200 now.

"Several generations have worked at this place, a lot of fathers and brothers, sons, uncles and daughters," said Paul DeMennato, facility director at U.S. Repeating Arms. "A lot of marriages were people who met at Winchester."

U.S. Repeating Arms, which is owned by the Herstal Group, a Belgium company, has said for years that it was on the brink of closing the plant.

DeMennato said the company is negotiating the sale of its plant. The Winchester name is owned by Missouri-based Olin Corp., which had sold U.S. Repeating Arms the right to use the name until next year.

Olin had no immediate word on its plans for the Winchester name. DeMennato said he hopes the name will be sold along with the plant.