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Offline Schatzi

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2006, 03:17:38 AM »
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I use a keyboard only. And I have no monitor. I fly by sound. Sometimes Murdr phones me and tells me when to turn etc.
How much for private lessons? I can afford about $.35 per lesson. I really want to learn the 38 but could you hurry and respond because I wont be here longer than my 2 free weeks.
Ive been flying with only one engine on as I thought I should save the 2nd one for emergencies.



Call me, Lew. Ill give you some... private... lessons allright! :t

And yes, flying with one engine is perfectly good.... you dont need much maneuvering in a bomber anyway.


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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2006, 07:46:21 PM »
Well I have a feeling the pros are fed up with answering my questions, but I simply am wondering...

How are you people able to handle this P-38J/L? When I fly it, it feels like my C-47 can turn tighter! I'm just not able to see what glorious-ness is behind it...  

I compared it to the 109G's and K4.. all of which outclimb, and out turn it. It seriously feels like a giant heavy piece of machinery that I ca't get working... and this goes for all the P-38's. I've loved them so much, but they just don't seem anything at all I've heard in the stories.

I couldn't hang any 109G's or K's in the vertical.. for some reason, I couldn'out dive an La-5, and my plane isn't outturning any Spitfire 9 or 16 even when we're both above 300 IAS. What am I missing ??
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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2006, 09:30:01 PM »
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Originally posted by Silat
I use a keyboard only. And I have no monitor. I fly by sound. Sometimes Murdr phones me and tells me when to turn etc.
How much for private lessons? I can afford about $.35 per lesson. I really want to learn the 38 but could you hurry and respond because I wont be here longer than my 2 free weeks.
Ive been flying with only one engine on as I thought I should save the 2nd one for emergencies.



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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2006, 10:59:47 AM »
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Well I have a feeling the pros are fed up with answering my questions, but I simply am wondering...

How are you people able to handle this P-38J/L? When I fly it, it feels like my C-47 can turn tighter! I'm just not able to see what glorious-ness is behind it...  

I compared it to the 109G's and K4.. all of which outclimb, and out turn it. It seriously feels like a giant heavy piece of machinery that I ca't get working... and this goes for all the P-38's. I've loved them so much, but they just don't seem anything at all I've heard in the stories.

I couldn't hang any 109G's or K's in the vertical.. for some reason, I couldn'out dive an La-5, and my plane isn't outturning any Spitfire 9 or 16 even when we're both above 300 IAS. What am I missing ??
Fuel weight has a very large effect on the P38's handling, because it is second only to the P47s for gross internal fuel weight in fighters.  I try to plan my load out and sorties so that I can TnB with only 50% fuel or less.  

The P38 is hard to catagorize with general rules of what you can and can't do because there are so many specifics.  For instance there are a number of fighters that a J simply cannot do extended flat turns with and win.  But you could loop with many of those same planes and win, if; you're loaded light enough, you have WEP availible, you are in the speed range to use flaps...ect.

Another tricky thing about flying the P38 successfully is that you really need to be flawless with your acm choice if you are going to dogfight.  You may be flying a spit or n1k with the same flawed ACM, and never know it because the planes turn performance will often overcome mistakes instead of losing the fight for you.  If one flies the same way in the P38, and make the same mistakes, it is very difficult to recover from those mistakes because it is at a disadvantage anyways when it comes to sustained turn performance.

So when you see people like myself, akak, guppy, silat, ect. claim to be able to 'out turn' a plane model there are usually a few considerations that are behind the statement.  We have a grasp of the specific plane match ups, and what situations we should lose or win in.  We try to guide the fight toward our strong points.  It is very rarely just a simple 'you should be able to outurn that plane'.

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2006, 05:34:53 PM »
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How are you people able to handle this P-38J/L? When I fly it, it feels like my C-47 can turn tighter! I'm just not able to see what glorious-ness is behind it...


Technically the C-47 does turn tighter at really slow speeds.
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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2006, 12:24:23 AM »
clerk im going to give you the comparisons for the 38's in a nutshell, and this is through experience:

the g model is slighty more agile then the j and l, especialy at low speeds, and yes it does handle like a spit, but it starts to compress around 301 mph, the j model starts to compress around 380mph, but with the dive flaps out the l model can get to about 450mph before it starts to compress.  i have found that if you do compress you can trim your elevator trim all the way up and cut the throttle. DONT PULL ON THE STICK, especialy in the l model, between the trim and dive flap, if you pull back on the stick you WILL rip the wings off (trust me, learned that one the hard way with 3 kills under my belt :( ) the j is a decent aircraft, well balanced in speed and manuverabilty ( my favorite of the 3).  even with flaps out i have trouble with the l model at low speeds.  i love taking guys to the deck in a g model, going full flaps and scissoring them.  the g model practicaly hovers if you do it right.

people tell you to turn off auto combat trim when you fly a 38, i only turn it off to help me recover from a dive, otherwise i keep it on.  

rudder...... the 38's have HUGE rudders.  with nose mounted guns and the huge rudder the 38 is great at snapshots.  snapshots alone are hard to master but you can practice on the drones offline, just fly outside the circle and then fly back in perpendicular to thier flight path and lead the target ALOT.  there is a post somewhere about snapshots with a video (common help me out fellas).

also try and hook up with murdr in the TA.  he taught me to get a 38 to do 3 immelmans in a head-on merge back-to back- to back. quite a neat litte trick when you have a plane that cant climb as well as you.  thats another thing,  38 have great climb rates (g model excluded) when you are fighting and aircraft like a p47, some spits ( dweeb16 excluded), try to keep em climbing, burn thier e, i find it easy to rope-a-dope guys in a 38, you dont even have to kill the engine to get rid of the torque that usualy screws up single engine planes because a 38's props turn in opposite directions of each other. just go up, hang on the flaps and pull the nose slightly over 90 degrees straight up or slightly short of it.  38's are nose heavy planes so will full flaps and throttle cut after the stall horn sounds she will nose right over and if you roped the guy right, BAM! now he is the target!

i love the 38! that and the pony are the only planes i fly anymore. i hope i helped and have fun!

p.s. imho the only downside of the p38 is that she is a big target. enemies will land hits on your p38 that would normaly miss smaller planes. thats why i try to come with a friend or else you might as well be shark bait.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2006, 03:28:01 AM »
I'm with Scorp on the Combat Trim.  I used to fly with it off, but now fly with it on.  Don't see any difference.

Also agree about getting guys low on the deck and scissoring with em til they get out front.  i don't know if it's the lack of outer wing tanks or what, but the 38G will roll fairly well, in particular with rudder help.

One of the best knock down drag out fights I can remember was when I was bounced by a guy in a Spit 16.  He wasn't a newbie.  We ended up on the deck in one of those scissiring fights and after 5 minutes of struggling with him, finally got him out front and killed him with a snap shot.  He couldn't stay as slow as I could without stalling the 16.

As he had the bounce on me, he had the advantage to start but he could never pull enough lead on me to get a hit.  It was funny watching the 38G gain on him in the turn, and seeing his wings give up lift before mine did.  he was flaps out too.

Probably ticked him off bigtime that the big old 38G could do that against a 16 :)

I've had some of the same kind of fights against Ki-84s with similar results too.

Don't mean to sound like I win em all, cause i surely don't but I feel confident going into a 1 v 1 in the 38G against whatever's out there.
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2006, 05:20:40 AM »
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Call me, Lew. Ill give you some... private... lessons allright! :t

And yes, flying with one engine is perfectly good.... you dont need much maneuvering in a bomber anyway.


:)



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