Author Topic: Just show him the law! (Read 1050 times)

moot · « **Reply #30 on:** January 20, 2007, 11:40:55 AM »

Tourette's?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2007, 11:42:25 AM »

Just aggravation. I explain the problem twice (three times if you count the first time I got modded). I even pointed to the exact lines that he's wrong with. And he still comes back and says the same thing over.

Kind of like a math teacher trying to show the class how to do algebra and everyone keeps doing long division instead.

moot · « **Reply #32 on:** January 20, 2007, 11:52:16 AM »

That teacher needs two weeks in the tropics.
His chances of clear communication and consequent understanding with the students is inversly proportional to his irritation.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 20, 2007, 12:32:25 PM »

Well some students just need to be beaten sometimes. This non-corporal punishment stuff has to go.

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2007, 09:41:51 AM »

I think you are splitting hairs and that both of you are right... before the 16th there could be no income tax that didn't go to the entire people equally.. this would be supporting an army and the three branches of government.

The 16th allowed the government to collect income taxes and to distribute it in any manner they wanted.... regardless of if it benifieted the people it was extorted from or not.

You could now take from one group and give it all to another... you could tax one group at a higher rate if you wanted to... you could make it a debt and... you could imprison or kill anyone who didn't pay it or resisted paying it.. you could confiscate property from people who were taxed for things that had absolutely nothing to do with them.

Without the sixteenth amendment there could be no democratic party as we know today.

lazs

lukster · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:04:24 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Well some students just need to be beaten sometimes. This non-corporal punishment stuff has to go.

When I was very young I thought I knew everything too but I at least allowed that someone else might know a thing or two.

An income tax has been in debate and the 16th settled it.

You might want to read this and expand your knowledge a bit laser instead of trying to intimidate those who would converse with you.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/business/hottopic/irs_history.html

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:17:47 AM »

another important point is that without the 16th we could still be screwed today so far as socialism..

for instance.. it could be said that an educated population is of equal benifiet to all people in the country... income tax for public schools..

It could be said that socialized health care was a benifet to all people.

It would be harder to ram these things down our throat without the 16th but it could be done.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:25:34 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Without the sixteenth amendment there could be no democratic party as we know today.

lazs

That's almost sig material!

lukster · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:25:38 AM »

I'm not opposed to an income tax. I am opposed to how it is being spent. Social programs aimed at giving unfortunate people a chance to better themselves get my approval. Programs which make people dependent for generations is not only a shameful waste of the money spent but a huge disservice to the citizens being enslaved.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:37:24 AM »

For me it is the opposite. It's not how it's being spent, but how I am forced to pay for it. And punished if I refused to do so.

There are many programs that I like, or at least don't hate. If I wasn't being stolen from at the point of a gun, I'd probably donate some of my money every year, stipulating that it would only be used for certain things.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 21, 2007, 10:41:51 AM »

no social program has ever worked as well as the salvation army or saint vincent de pauls for instance.

Not in numbers so much as in rate. If we all realized that some people can not be saved and that those who can be saved need to do most of the work and....

We couldn't sooth our concience by saying that we were paying "contributing" with taxes... we would give to worthy charities and support them.

hell.. the liberal billionairs like gates don't even trust the government... they give their money to who they want so as to not pay taxes that will be wasted on social programs that they think the rest of us peasants should support.

lazs