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SwampRat

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« on: January 16, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »
Hiya folks
  I am USAF and will most likely be getting hit with an overseas tour soon, and I'm hopeing for the U.K.  Was just wondering if anyone could clue me in on the status and average cost of connectivity over across the pond.  I've heard cable is rare to simply unavailable but that DSL is coming along slowly but surely.  I'd really hate to have to go back to my old 56k modem days and dealing with BT again (egad!!).  Would appreciate your comments.

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2001, 03:24:00 PM »
Cable is available in some parts of the country depending on who the Telecom provider is in your area but mostly not.
As an example i switched from BT to Cable and Wireless about 4 years ago and took the cable TV and phone with an eye to getting a cable modem, guess what its still not available !
I threatened to leave and go back to BT and they said we are setting up the department to oversee the setting up of the cable modems in February 2001.
Err department being set up to oversee ???
When asked when they might actually be available the answer was "No Dates Available".
That was enough for me i am leaving them on the 27th Jan.
BT is VERY slowly rolling out ADSL its actually available about 60 miles from me in Cambridge but it might as well be on the moon.
My choice for now as BT has been getting a kicking in the profit area is to take their BT Speedway option which is ISDN2e i believe, this costs approx £45 per month for unlimited internet, evenings 6pm to 8am i think and all weekends BUT only on 1 channel and ONLY to BTinternet and free local phone calls thrown in, so 64k only.
If you wanna connect to another ISP at cheap rates you pay BT about another £5 and then approx £15 to your chosen ISP to get the same connect package.
Basically you gonna pay bro they know how to extract your hard earnt money in good old UK.
The only reason i am going for it is to reduce my pings to AH currently running at about 280 on a good day to 350 on a poor day, somedays its even higher then i have to read about people in Texas etc complaining of pings of 50 ! (makes me feel sick i can tell ya).
Btw if you are lucky enough to have Cable or ADSL available in UK then it only costs approx £40 per month for always on unlimited service.
You could also check this site out  http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/specials/2000/04/broadband/

It shows whats avialable in most of the areas but i dont know how up to date it is.

Good luck finding what you want if you get posted here.

Also as best i understand it at the moment if you do connect at 128k (different dial up number) even tho you have paid for the evening and weekend free package they then charge you for using both lines.
I would have expected to pay for the extra line but thats BT for ya.

Update, just seen starting in Jan 2001 BT has announced for an extra £15 making total to them of about £55 they are launching a 24 hour service No internet phone calls to worry about.

(Edited typo)

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2001, 03:58:00 PM »
Hi Swamprat,
We are still a long way behind the US over here WRT to broadband access, mainly due to those money-grubbing bastards at BT. They have got a nice little earner with their expensive ISDN and leased line deals and are therefore rushing ahead with broadband with all the enthusiasm of a condemned man on his final walk to the electric chair.

ADSL was introduced in the UK late last year but coverage is patchy at present. Not all exchanges are equipped for it and you have to get a line test to qualify. Most ADSL ISPs have a postcode based applet which lets you know if you might be able to run it.

BT offer ADSL in a number of bandwidth options through participating ISPs. By far the cheapest uses a mandatory Alcatel USB modem which has a rather troubled reputation, particularly WRT to high current draw causing shutdowns. The USB option costs from 40 to 60 UKP per month depending on the ISP. Ethernet ADSL is much dearer, even for the same bandwidth. Further details can be got from: http://www.cspry.co.uk/computing/adsl_uk.html
This has links to all the ADSL ISPs. BTW both Nildram and Pipex have a good low loss connection to AH.

Cable coverage is also patchy and the cable companies don't have a very good reputation as gaming ISPs. The uk.telecom.broadband newsgroup often has ADSL v cable threads.

ISDN probably offers the most stable low latency connect at the moment and it is available just about everywhere. The problem, apart from bandwidth, is that it only comes via BT. Arcane is a polite way of describing BT's ISDN pricing but it can be summed up as 27 UKP per month plus phonecall charges if applicable. BT's ISDN website is at: http://www.bt.com/homehighway/

There's a whole range of basic dial up pricing deals now. Some are flat rate while others have phone charges and monthly subscriptions. Generally I find the cheaper ISPs useless for gaming though.

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2001, 05:31:00 PM »
COD!!...I still hate those BT bastiges and I thought I'd forgotten them haha.  I was over there 88-91, half that time I lived in Thatcham where my phone usage was convieniently "metered", when I moved to another area where the bill was itemized my monthly bill Halved!!...then when I was leaving for home, I went in, paid my final bill in full and got a reciept.  Those BT shiit's actually had the nerve to mail me a bill for "an additional unresolved 50 pounds!!!  I told them to call me..in Montana hehe, whaddya wanna bet they haven't forgotten a thing?  Well anyway, looks like the options are there, will just have to decide what to spend granted I get over there.  Hmmm...that job in Tampa is lookin better
  Thanx much

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2001, 06:59:00 PM »
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Bastige !

To me that says if you got ISDN you can Fek off cos we want you to keep paying the higher fees !

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2001, 05:28:00 PM »
Hi Swamprat

Have you tried getting in touch with Kronos?  He's USAF and at Mildenhall and I guess he might be able to suggest an option - what USAF bases are left?  Mildenhall, Lakenheath, and most others are detachments I suppose?

I use BT for 56k dial up and although they bring back bad memories for you, I don't experience that many connect problems with them.  If you can't get ADSL/ISDN then try 'LineOne' who are supposedly pretty good.

Let me know where you're getting posted, if it's to RAF Digby (and you're married with a family) I might be able to help you out (I work for MOD doing military housing etc).

Regards

Nexx
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