Changing things through

[lazs2]

dano...  I guess what you are saying is that if the catholic school doesn't teach about rubbers then my grand daughter will get pregnant..

I suppose that there is nothing I can do but send her to a public school where everyone uses rubbers (or at least knows how) and no one ever gets pregnant.

lazs

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Aw c'mon MT...you and I both know what's going on here.  

Abstinence came under attack during the sexual revolution of the 1960s.  Our kids and grandkids are fed a steady diet of "sexual freedom" and "the joys of promiscuity" on a daily basis.  You can't turn on a tv during prime time without being bombarded by scenes of mindless bed-hopping, look-at-me-I'm-gay or bang-with-me-I'm-hot, oversexed twits.  You can't open a magazine or newspaper or, apparently, a biology textbook without encountering the new-age sexual mores being espoused by Hollywood or other bastions of left-wing ideology.

Fighting off peer pressure, and trying to remain abstinent, during the teenage years is difficult enough without that type of fuel being thrown on the fire.  Leftist idealogues have been attempting to torpedo the abstinence movement ever since it was first organized.

If our youth are more sexually promiscuous today than they were 50 years ago it's because they have been programmed to be.

Yet, all that is completely beside the point.  Sex education should be voluntary, and attendance at some "sexual-activity-is-good-so-be-prepared" thinktank should not be required.

Well, I seem to get what's going on here. You seem to want to blame it all on the 60's, or maybe you think sexual promiscuity is being measured against that of 50 years ago. Studies have been done on abstinence only programs and they just don't work.


Abstinence students still having sex


Study Casts Doubt on Abstinence-Only Programs

[Xargos]

Let the kids mess around all they want, but they better not ask me to pay their medical bills because of THEIR stupidity, as in taxes.  Kids need to be taught they are responsible for their actions, which schools are not teaching.  Freedom does not equal Free Ride.

[Dadano]

OK....... we disagree?

Yes, we disagree. Save your breath.
Lazs, no worries. Good luck with that grand daughter.

[Engine]

I fail to see the issue with schools telling teenages to have responsible safe sex. If the parents aren't doing it they are being negligent about the health of their children.

I'm class of 97 here in NYC. The kids in High School were so loaded on hormones it's a miracle they learned anything. I'm thankful for the "safe-sex" atmosphere promoted by the staff, because the kids were having sex anyway.

[Shuckins]

Well MT....riddle me this.   Are kids of today more promiscuous than those of 50 years ago?  There is almost overwhelming evidence that this is the case.  Indeed, the point is hardly debated anymore by either side in this issue, even by those who steadfastly believed that there is no difference between promiscuity rates of that generation and our own.

There is also a considerable body of evidence which points out that the "Sex Education" solution to teenage pregnancy is no solution at all.  Sweden, which has often been held up as the model of an "enlightened" society in terms of modern sexual education has seen skyrocketing rates of STD infection despite such education and the ready availability of condoms.

The U.K. also, with government backed and funded sex education classes almost identical to those in the U.S., has experienced burgeoning pregnancy and STD infection rates.  The U.K. has a teen pregnancy rate four times that of any Western European country.

If promiscuity rates are up, as indicated by these rising rates of teen pregnancy and infection, there has to be a reason.  The "Sexual Revolution" which belittled the "square" ethical and cultural mores of previous generations is as good a culprit as any.

I stand by the statements about its impact on our nation's youth that I presented in my previous post.  We are paying a heavy price for that movement's mindless promotion of mindless sex.

Regards, Shuckins

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Well MT....riddle me this.   Are kids of today more promiscuous than those of 50 years ago?  
Regards, Shuckins

I'll ignore the fact that you are twisting the discussion away from the efficacy of abstinence only education and I'll answer your question...

Yes

there is one VERY big reason why.



Yep, when people realized they could have sex without getting pregnant, they began having more sex.

Now slap yourself in the head and give me a "Doh!".

[Shuckins]

Oh...gee...you're right.  The pill, all by itself, brought about this great tidal wave of change in the nation's cultural and ethical conduct.

Of course, it really is as simple as that....it was THE PILL!!

And here I thought the causes were many, varied, and ultimately arising from the nihilistic, self-centered, Dr. Ruth adoring, unfettered freedom espousing, Haight Ashbury traipsing, LSD experimenting, rebel rousing, free-love and no commitment preaching, religious ethics deriding, sexual revolution is really hip but we ain't gonna take responsibility for the consequences, we got Hollywood promoting our agenda, generation of the 60s.

Silly me.

[moot]

A good education will easily cover the risks of sex and a lot more other things, regardless of how (gasp) decadent society has become.  
Blaming others for your own actions is bogus.

I will say that the higher the dam of "Don't"s, the harder it'll be for kids to not get caught in the currents, as well as for parents to keep up with developments.

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[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Dadano
What are we up in arms about?
Safe sex?
What is wrong with teaching kids about how to stay healthy?

I have no problem with anything the dude said, hes talking about the realities of "grown folks business"..  drugs are everywhere and sex happens, kids can make their own decisions based on the information.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Eagler
the catholic schools around here all have waiting lists to enroll .. I'm sure it is the same in most places

Dadano
safe sex and safe drug abuse eh?
it is not what adults tell children to do in my world .. maybe yours

I'll bet every adult here has safely used "drugs", like alcohol, aspirin, cigarettes, weed and of course those happy pills the dentist hands out to keep the mouth from throbbing in pain....a nice mellow opiate. Meanwhile at home mom takes Prozac, bro is on riddlin, dad just scored some Viagra and the talking Dr at school thinks little Johnny should be on Paxil to cope with the pressures of being a teen.

Kids see adults safely use drugs every day, then "they" turn around and chant the mantra that drugs are "bad".. kids see right through that hypocrisy the go out and experiment, and why not? everyone around them is using "drugs" why cant they?

What exactly is bad about giving them real world information and allowing them to make up their own minds?

Edit: a bit about .gov hypocracy; who knows what "dexedrine" is? its an amphetamine that US fighter pilots take to combat "fatigue"... a nice speed pill.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2003/01/16/730/18294

"Col. Pete Demitry of the Air Force Surgeon General's office told reporters that Dexedrine, which the Air Force provides for pilots making long flights, was a life saver, not a dangerous drug"

Who here knows more about drugs than the Air Force Surgeon General's office?

[lazs2]

The question is how much of life should a school teach...  none really.   If it isn't happening at home... say the kid comes to school naked and smeared with feces... throw him out of class.  

If a kid gets pregnant... let them stay in school till the end.  No big deal.. no need to waste everyones time and money on social experiments.

So far the results have been bad in any case.. The pill didn't cause abortions or school shootings or classrooms where no one learns.   abortions and the pill and sex ed did not cut down on the amount of illigitimate births or make kids behave better.  

What social experiment in school has worked?

Oh wait... the polio vaccine.. that was one that worked I guess.

I don't know if any of this non academic social meddling in schools have caused all the ills of the world today but... it is pretty darn obvious that they haven't solved any... it is also obvious that they take time away from learning.

I will send my grand daughter to a school where learning is the most important thing and poor behavior will not be tolerated.

And why should it?   Do we really need people with masters degrees to cook our food or change our oil?   Do we need welders with PHD's?   Hell..  do we even need engineers with social science degrees?

If someone doesn't want to or, is incapable of learning... let em drop out.   We need more trade schools tho.

lazs

[Xargos]

If someone doesn't want to or, is incapable of learning... let em drop out. We need more trade schools tho.

lazs

Well said.