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Offline Ranger70

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« on: June 08, 2007, 08:21:40 PM »
I can seem to know when they are coming or where they are coming from. I am flying along in route to target & the next thing I know I am taking rounds & am dead & back at the hanger. I am new to this game obviously. How can I see them coming? The map used to show enemy dots but I dont know how to gwt it back. Please help, THANKS!

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 08:41:03 PM »
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I can seem to know when they are coming or where they are coming from. I am flying along in route to target & the next thing I know I am taking rounds & am dead & back at the hanger. I am new to this game obviously. How can I see them coming? The map used to show enemy dots but I dont know how to gwt it back. Please help, THANKS!

 
First, you may want to setup your views correctly. On http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/ you can find a section about that.

Second, use them! It's important to constantly scan the sky around you. You get lazy - you get dead because

Third: You can't trust the map radar.
Hit ESC to bring up map, INS & DEL are mapzoom. Note that only enemy cons inside a friendy and working (white) radar circle and above 500ft produce a red dot. BTW, dots are updated once per minute or so... he may be much closer to your position.
If there is a red darbar in a sector, but no dot, there is an enemy above 500ft but outside any friendly radar. He just might be sneaking onto your six!
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2007, 08:41:34 PM »
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Good place to start out on how to play and fly.  You can also request a trainer's help for further instruction.  Good luck and welcome to your new addiction.  


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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 08:48:52 PM »
The other problem is, darbar doesn't ALWAYS show single enemies. There's been times where I've been at 10k, no bar in sector, and all the sudden I see some guy dropping on my six.

The same is also the case with base flashing when dot dar is out. Sometimes for whatever reason, bases don't flash even though there's cons within the dar circle.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 08:54:16 PM »
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The same is also the case with base flashing when dot dar is out. Sometimes for whatever reason, bases don't flash even though there's cons within the dar circle.


When you log on and a base is currently under attack it may not flash. Only when all enemies left range it kinda "resets". A new attack will now make it flash again.

Because of that bug, and especially in the low populated and GV heavvy EW & MW arenas, I manually check towns from tower at all frontline bases to see if there are any gv attacks going on.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2007, 12:04:21 PM »
I believe in ww1 the pilots began wearing silk scarfs around their necks to prevent chaffing.

 you must be aware of 3 dimensions at all times(head on a swivel)

the online equivalent of that is- finger on the hat switch/keypad


the only time they should sneak up on you is when you get caught afk or typing


does that mean I never get caught?

 lol I wish!

 If i had a dollar for every time I practically jumped out of my seat when I started taking rounds, I would have alot of dollars and some form of online gaming induced epilepsy!
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2007, 12:37:40 PM »
One thing you may want to think about when you're looking around. The Dar might only be showing green dots as psrt be being knocked out. If this is the case you need to use you esc key to bring up the map the ins/del keys zoom the map. You determine you direction of travel on the Dar then COMPARE the dots on Dar with what you are actually seeing. If you see 5 dots out there in the distance and 2 green dots on dar then the other 3 are bad guys. You might also see 3 dots out between your 3 and 6 position but 2 greens on Dar....one is at 3 one is at 5 and one is at 6 oclock. The 3 and 6 guys show up as green dots. That means the 5 guy is a bad guy. He's the one you wanna determine bearing and his direction of travel.

Direction of travel is easy to determine. Go level and let go of the stick (you can even use X for auto pilot. The object is to steady your planes line of flight. Once you get level look at the dot. If it moves across your canopy from left to right then you know thats they way he's heading. If the dot doesn't move at all on you canopy view then he is doing one or two things. He is either coming directly at you or going directly away from you.
Also, if some moke blows thru you and extends out away then you see him going pretty vertical you need to maintain vis on the con as he is prolly reversing back into you.

Remember, if you are maneuvering heavily it can get very diffficult to determine the bogies direction of travel. Get your plane stable and look. You can be upside down (upright level is better) as long as you see how he moves across your canopy.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2007, 12:55:16 PM »
Another clue should be the sound of the plane coming, can often hear it as far off as 3K, though the range seems to depend on closing speed and other sounds such as wind and your engine, which btw most of us have turned off.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2007, 01:29:31 PM »
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and your engine, which btw most of us have turned off..


I haven't. Flying a 1500hp fighter without a roaring engine sucks.
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2007, 01:35:53 PM »
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I haven't. Flying a 1500hp fighter without a roaring engine sucks.


Not when it drowns out my tunes!  Nothing like furballing with ABBA blaring in the backround....   "Dancing queeeeen...."

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2007, 01:49:29 PM »
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Nothing like furballing with ABBA blaring in the backround....   "Dancing queeeeen...."


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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2007, 02:04:18 PM »
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I haven't. Flying a 1500hp fighter without a roaring engine sucks.


Agreed.

You shouldn't be able to delete engine noise...

Even without engine noise, the range of super-human hearing of our cartoon pilots should be revised.

I took an engine hit from Lancs at 10k so I broke off my attack in the hopes of gliding back to a friendly field.

At 8k a train crossed beneath me and I could hear it clearly.

Even with a dead engine there is no way that you would hear a train from 8 thousand feet....

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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2007, 03:20:49 PM »
Hi,

I'm not too far advanced from where you are now.

I'm a loner.  I'm not much into groupy stuff.  My signature is from Eugene Levy's character in the movie, "Splash" .  That's me.  

I usually go up at least one base back from where the action is.  True there could still be somebody vulching, but not likely if the white circle radar is up (right click clipboard for that option).  I immediately go for altitude, 10,000 feet minimum.  Most everytime I've been jumped I was low.  Then I move into position depending what I want to do.  I admit it and I am following the advice of a pro---Johan Kylander in his book, "In Pursuit," I look for the alone guy, the straggler, the guy not paying attention.  Furballs are suicide.  I operate here like I have ONE life.  Just learned a trick finding guys going to and fro from fights to get me more trophies on my tally list.

Radar?

It has already been stated, don't trust the radar to be accurate.  I have gotten pretty good at making educated guesses where the bombers are just by using the Bar-Dar map.  In tower, before I leave hanger with a plane, I study the area map.  Last night I was watching a guy in the rear bases take out radars of a bunch of bases, and I guessed where he was going, what he was doing, and chased / met him at 30,000 feet in a BF 109-G6.  He had 3 B-17's.   It's a lot like cat and mouse like tanking is.  It is a lot like chess!

Watching my rear?

I get a lot of kills sneaking up behind guys.  Again, SA (Situation Awareness) I see a base flashing.  I go to tower and watch.  I hit my left/right keys and go out on the veranda, hit F3 & F8 keys to get a 3D perspective.  2 Spits jumped a P-38 that was low, he probably just took off or was returning to base, these guys were vulching.  I got my plane all set to go.  I watch as they split apart after one guy gets the kill.  They both headed away, but one left, one right.  I went out back side of field and circled back to creep up on the lone guy going left, back to his field.  I took a guess that was his intention as to the visual info I was observing.  I followed him from my base to his base, making sure the other guy was no threat.  He never saw me, about 5 miles from his base he was history.  (Exception, I was low, nap of the earth to try to stay hidden---neon light!  Being that low is very risky.)   That's how I do it.  

Kylander's book, his experience is WWIIOL and WarBirds.  I don't think his rear views there are as sophisticated as here.  He would make lazy turns left, look over his shoulder, then lazy turn right, looking over his shoulder, while also looking over his wing and down each way, every 5 to 10 seconds.  I'm lazy!  I'll get zapped again one of these days.  I setup my views to include looking down aft and out the rear sides.   It is rare, but some guys do their fighter sweeps higher than 10,000 feet and pounce on me, too.

At my age I tend to forget easily, day to day.  My reflexes are nowhere as keen as the younger guys here, my brain is mush in comparrison.  28 years old back in WWII a fighter pilot was considered an old man due to his reflexes being off, I'm twice that, and not that old.   I slowly digest this guy's book, step by step, and go into MA to experiment.  I train a lot in the TA (training area).  And I meet guys sometimes, in the Arenas that are just plain friendly and I pickup trinkets of this and that to tweak how I do things.  I'm still not very good, but I'm getting better.   At least, I think I'm getting smarter at it.

My missions, I'm usually good for one or two well thought out adventures to totally concentrate on and I do good enough.  One kill is good enough for me.  When I get tired, I get sloppy.  Then I will go play and get killed over where the furball action is and I do it just for fun.

This game is fun.  There are so many aspects to explore and maybe someday get good at just one.  It is like machinist work and the many varieties of the trade doing different things with just a lathe, mill, drill press and surface grinder---yeah, that's a good analogy.  You got to know your machines inside out.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2007, 03:28:35 PM »
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Agreed.

You shouldn't be able to delete engine noise...

Even without engine noise, the range of super-human hearing of our cartoon pilots should be revised.

I took an engine hit from Lancs at 10k so I broke off my attack in the hopes of gliding back to a friendly field.

At 8k a train crossed beneath me and I could hear it clearly.

Even with a dead engine there is no way that you would hear a train from 8 thousand feet....

:huh


I'm not so sure about that.  i live 5 miles from a major railroad line and i can often hear the train, and if they bw their horn i DEFFINATELY hear it.

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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2007, 03:33:32 PM »
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Let me guess: Pink Spitty? :D


LOL

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