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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2007, 12:04:51 AM »
Where's Seagoon when ya need him? I'd like to hear his opinion on money hungry McChurches.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2007, 12:10:51 AM »
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Where's Seagoon when ya need him? I'd like to hear his opinion on money hungry McChurches.


Ok, can you show me where these folks are money hungry? Anything.....

The Bible does tell us to tithe, a tithe is 10% of our income. If this church is preaching to tithe, they are just teaching a Biblical prinicple.

I'm not sure if that's what you are talking about, I am reaching here trying to understand. :)
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2007, 12:44:23 AM »
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COPELAND may have a little Wise County competition...

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Could become a battle of the churchs. Copeland can get a billboard that says "I Hate Copeland Ministries Even More Than Family Victory Church."
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10:33 PM
There's a couple. That's Kenneth Copeland they are refering to. He has a compound (literally) in the southern part of the county on an old airforce training base. He's a real doozy. VFC wants a slice of that pie.

These McChurchs (VFC is one) are more devoted to corporate moneymaking than they are to God. They are more facade than substance, using God to make a buck. It's not about faith, it's about entertainment and feelgood. The leaders are CEO's, not priests.

That's what bothers me about them. But sooner or later these men of the cloth will have to face God and answer him for their actions.

In the meantime feel free to attend, watch the bigscreen simulcast, donate, enjoy the contemporary music and don't forget to stop by the giftshop on the way out. We have some really cool bumper stickers, hats and t-shirts this week!
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2007, 01:09:01 AM »
Hi RPM,

Ok, against my better judgment, I'll give you as objective an assessment as I can - I'm not sure it will be worth much.

First the caveats; until I read your post I had never heard of "Victory Family Church." Since then, I've been to their website and read all their links, listened to one sermon, pt. 1 of "The Power to Get Wealth" and done a google search (including google news) on the Senior Pastor and the church. Almost every hit simply refers to their eye-catching sign which apparently has everyone in a tizzy.

The church itself is as you guessed is independent, in terms of their theology they are generally Charismatic, possibly Pentecostal, they are also into "Word of Faith" or "Name it and Claim it" and "Health and Wealth" preaching, although they are far from being the worst examples I've seen. The message I heard made all the typical word of faith exegetical leaps from Israel and the patriarch's material prosperity to faith supposedly being the infallible key to our own and assured us that it was God's will that we all be prosperous, apparently ignoring the fact that Christ and His Apostles were far from prosperous, that Christ promised us tribulation and not riches in this world, that we are warned time and time again not to make mammon our goal, that being rich makes it harder to get into the kingdom and draws our hearts away from Christ and consumes us with worldly cares, that earthly riches are only so much worthless dust in the end, and even that "not many" of the mighty and powerful of this world are called and that in Christian history, with a few notable exceptions, the majority of the Christian "giants of the faith" have been either poor (like John Bunyan) or of moderate means (like Jonathan Edwards). For that matter, if this theology is right, I've been going in the wrong direction since 1997, seeing as our income has been more than cut in half since going to seminary and entering the pastorate (I can think of several other men who could say essentially the same thing.)

Anyway, unless the message I heard was an aberration (which I doubt considering there were 3 others with the same title, there is very little gospel preaching, and a lot of telling people what they want to hear about getting what they want and meeting their "felt needs" (which is essentially the same thing Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, etc. have built their careers on).

That said, RPM, I think you could probably find 100s of churches just like this one in the state of Texas alone, and many of them far, far, worse. In any event, there is no "world dominion" threat there. Personally, I think its much ado about nothing. Seems to me, they came up with a gimmicky sign that made it to AP and are currently enjoying their 15 minutes in a relatively low-power spotlight. I may be missing it, but I don't see what the big deal is, yes the Christian world is full of men seeking mammon, but they don't learn that from Christ, they bring that in with them from the world. One only needs to think back to the days of the S&L rippoffs or ENRON to realize that Texas real-estate, banking, communications, construction, etc. are also full of men madly pursuing mammon to their own destruction as well and that when those men are in charge of a company or a bank they can ruin far more lives, than the few congregants listening to Pastor Bates.

Anyway, thats my .10 cents. Really nothing to see here, move along.

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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2007, 01:26:07 AM »
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There's a couple. That's Kenneth Copeland they are refering to. He has a compound (literally) in the southern part of the county on an old airforce training base. He's a real doozy. VFC wants a slice of that pie.

These McChurchs (VFC is one) are more devoted to corporate moneymaking than they are to God. They are more facade than substance, using God to make a buck. It's not about faith, it's about entertainment and feelgood. The leaders are CEO's, not priests.

That's what bothers me about them. But sooner or later these men of the cloth will have to face God and answer him for their actions.

In the meantime feel free to attend, watch the bigscreen simulcast, donate, enjoy the contemporary music and don't forget to stop by the giftshop on the way out. We have some really cool bumper stickers, hats and t-shirts this week!


This thread wouldn't have gone on nearly as long as it did if you had just said this at the beginning. Thank you, now I actually understand your position. Combined with what Seagoon said, I actually agree with you. :)

I also don't think they are the worst that you can find in a church, but as you said, one day they will face God and He will judge them.

I didn't actually listen to any of the sermons like Seagoon did. With what he said about the sermon, I wouldn't attend this church because I prefer a church that actually teaches the gospel and other Biblical principles.
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2007, 01:36:22 AM »
Thank you for responding Seagoon. You put it much clearer for the masses than I could.

Elfie, I thought I had done just that. Now that my position has been cleared of God hatin' can we let this thing die already?
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2007, 01:40:24 AM »
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Elfie, I thought I had done just that.


Maybe you did in your own way and I just didn't understand.....but I was trying. ;)
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2007, 01:46:57 AM »
You have to use theater of the mind when publishing, hence the descriptive narrative.
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2007, 01:49:31 AM »
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These McChurchs (VFC is one) are more devoted to corporate moneymaking than they are to God. They are more facade than substance, using God to make a buck. It's not about faith, it's about entertainment and feelgood. The leaders are CEO's, not priests.


This was sooo much clearer though. (especially the last 2 sentences.) :D
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2007, 02:25:23 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2007, 03:23:22 AM »
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Like the other options are any better. :rolleyes:

All of the options only tell you what they want you to hear or what they think you should hear.

I would like to see a News source that actually is unbiased and fair. Like that will ever happen....
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