Gang warfare in military

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Kermit de frog
Dago said, "Here is an easy one: Make gang membership a capital offense, and carry out the punishment."

Then:

Jackal1 said "define gang"

Then Masherbum and Dago both got angry and missed the point Jackal had.  Someone else has already pointed out what I'm saying in this thread.

Dago, please post your definition of "gang" that you'd like congress to use to determine if you are a gang member or not.

I guess jackal is hoping you can't and therefore your statement should be passed off as something said stupidly.

True...up until the last line.
The thing is when someone starts calling for a vague law to be put into place there always seems to be some fat cat govie listening ,and if said enough, can be used as a platform and a tool. I like to call them #2 pencil laws. They can be added to, taken away from and rewrote on the spot as needed to accomplish whatever is being done at the time. It is never good for the people being governed. It is a tool by which freedom is taken away and power abused.
Jim Crow laws are a good example. Judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one.
We need less laws, less government in general.
When left so vague, the PTA could be viewed as a "gang" if left in the wrong hands. (Some of the meetings I attended when raising my girls wouldn`t hit far from the mark though. )

[lazs2]

to me.. it seems obvious what is happening here.

the liberals are simply mad at the soldiers.   The soldiers are not co-operating and whining about how the war is lost and please get me out...

The people are backing the soldiers.   It puts the liberals in a bad spot... they can't say that they don't support the troops but...  if the troops want to get the job done and stay and say that progress is being made...

Well.. you see the problem?

Sooo... it is time to take a different tact.. pull the rug out from under the support for the troops... you can't just demonize em right out... people won't go for it.

You need to play down the good and play up the bad... act "concerned".. try to seem fair... in the end...paint a picture of good soldiers and men gone bad and a military filled with thugs... keep saying that it is not their fault... that the current administration has turned them into baby killers and filled the ranks with criminals...  

Make it so that the oprah watcher and cnn moron associate soldier with criminal...when the support for the troops evaporates... you rip the heart out of the soldier on the ground in the battle making the effort.

Then.... then finally... you can say the war is being fought with draftees who don't want to be there.

it is a basic and disgusting lefty tactic.   It is born of the basic dishonesty and "the end justifies the means" philosophy of the left.

You can never know if the end justifies the means.. the means is all you have.  

lazs

[Suave]

Eagle pretty much nailed it. I was in when the military was probably at it's leanest, they were looking for reasons to kick people out, and paying people to leave. And even then there were a lot of criminals in the military, even though most of them would be kicked out within their first year. I could recount lots of anecdotes. Soldiers robbing banks in their BDUs with their name tags on, seeing a soldier from my battalion on cops, wife beaters, child beaters, rapists, child rapists, gang leaders and crank dealers.

I will say that the vast majority of gangbangers were in remf units, since those types generally eschewed combat arms jobs, and remf MOS's were  easier to get.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Suave
I will say that the vast majority of gangbangers were in remf units, since those types generally eschewed combat arms jobs, and remf MOS's were  easier to get.

I couldn't disagree there. Most of these issues on my installation pop up in maintenance units...but certainly not all of them.