Originally posted by lazs2
my average post it way less than 5 minutes...probly less than one.
plus..he is reading the threads.. as are you... I know from your replies that it doesn't look like you are comprehending what you read but you can see that you are reading em.
I don't watch the news... much anyway... I get news here and follow the links... I check em out... I debate with people who have opposite views... that is not doing nothing... watching survivor is doing nothing. you spend a lot of time here as does he (he mostly spends it in the kiddie pool tho talking about jsticks) yet... you get nothing from it.. you simply spout the soundbites you came with.
so yes...if I did things the way you do it would be doing nothing.. you might as well watch cnn as be here.
soooo... what is your solution? call the actors?
build the berlin wall all over America? maybe just.... run away and hope it all works out?
lazs
There is no cover all solution, Laz. Laz, with some foresight you may understand exactly what is going to happen in the future, in Iraq, anyway.
So...three years from now, ostensibly, Iraq has a standing democratic government and everything is exactly like Mr. Bush wants it to be. (far fetched as that may be, but I'll allow some dreaming here). He spoke last evening of "an enduring presence in Iraq, comparable to that in Korea". (which I'll remind you, we are technically still at war against North Korea, and have spent half a century just standing there, with our hands in our pants) Do you seriously, in any way, shape, or form, think that any government in that region is going to allow us to keep troops there? What do we do when they say GET OUT? You simply cannot embark upon nation building, and then put parenthesis around it. You can't MAKE a people like you or support your views. You must realize, at some point, a people must determine their own perspective and destiny.
While we will be in Iraq for the near future... I will secede that fact...You also must secede that once we prop them up, fix their backwards country with our money, they will most likely say, "thank you, now go home. We'll take it from here." We will not, repeat, NOT, retain any leverage in the region. Nation building is like raising a kid. Some go good, some go bad...BUT NONE DO EXACTLY WHAT THE PARENTS WANT. At some point in the foreseeable future, the Iraqi government will say "Goodbye". The Saudis will (are) in the process of doing the same. Hell, even in South Korea there are mumblings about kicking us out.
Now I ask you, is that all worth it? 2 Billion of our dollars a WEEK, in Iraq. We aren't in Iraq to fight Al Queda, you poor soul. Al Queda came to Iraq... BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE ARE!!!! My god man, do you fall into the lies all the time? Even Petraeus testified to this... that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 or Al Queda, and that Al Queda presence in Iraq is only due to the insurgency.
There is no right way to approach all of this. There is no right answer...only a mixed bag of wrong ones. Bush is only playing out the next year and a half so the nut isn't on his face. It's worth it to him, the 1000 or more dead soldiers and countless injured, so that his "legacy" isn't tarnished, any more than it already is. After all, he's already tarnished the careers of some of our highest ranking general staff, using them as political pawns. Patreaus is the next to fall.
I'm sorry the cost in Iraq far outweighs any potential gains we could possibly see. We need to let them figure out what THEY want to do... just like we did in our own civil war.
