Why was the Ta-152 not updated witht the rest of the 190's?

[moot]

I don't know whether I'd give up the only high altitude LW bird (my fav, no less) for some more agility.  Like I said, it used to be adequate enough to arguably be (imo) the best dogfighter in the LW set.
It's more likely (my gut feeling) we'd get an H-0 than a C, which would be a better choice if reasonable altitude performance was the goal.   There's probably too little data for the C.

It'd be really cool of HTC to do that, though - split the H-1 and H-0 like they did the G14 and K4.

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Helm
I can't read any of the gauges in the updated planes.  The shade of white they use to mark them is to dark.  Allthough they look nice and very historical, a brighter shade of white for the gauges and needles would make them much easyier to read ....and yes I have turned up my gamma all that does is wash everything out.

turning the gamma up will make the black grey, making seeing grey markings even worse surely?

surely turning the gammer down would be better?

[mussie]

YES the 152 sux......

nobody even think about using it...



[Daffy Duck Voice On]They are mine all mine.......... [Daffy Duck Voice Off]

[Citabria]

I don't fly the ta152 for two reasons..

1. its the ugly old 3d model. the new stuff has spoiled me and the only old model thats still decent is the 262.

2.  a handful of ta152s saw use for about a week at the end of the war and in my opinion it does not really have the relevance of being a true german frontline fighter like the more common 190a5/a8/d9 109g6/g14/g10/k4.

it was a one off deal sent to jg300 i believe and they only got 8 of them. they thought the world of the ta152 though as all the rest of the fighters in the unit were destroyed in combat the ta152s survived.

I suspect many don't fly it for the reason that it is unfamiliar in terms of being a well known german fighter in spite of its great performance.

even when the ta152 was brand new and by the standards of the time well modelled I found it unapealing for its irrelevance.

when i wanted to fly a famous german plane it did not register as such and still dosn't.



but I'm sure if they updated the 3d model myself and others would play with it now and again for the novelty of it hehe.

[mussie]

All smart-arse commets aside, I would love to know what it is with the 152 that makes me leathal in it.... (when compared to how leathal I am in other planes, not when compared to other players)

Yeah I know I am blowing my own trumpet (hard at first but the wife cut me off so I had to learn) but I REALLY dont mean to sound like i am...

I can up a 152 and be confident of at least 1 kill, put me in anyother german fighter and I am worse than useless...

Like a day or so ago when I nailed a guy at D800 with a burst from the cannons, he was straight and level whilst runn... i mean egressing to home base. but it was an aimed shot of one or two VERY short bursts and I pinged him three + times.

The strange thing was I knew I was gonna hit him.... I dont normally have much faith in a long shot like that, but for some reason with the 152 it seams a dam sight easier....

Any way enough of me... lol

[TUXC]

Mussie, no idea....must be the mystique off the Ta152H!


Fester, you're right. The Ta152 saw service in very limited numbers for a short time at the end of the war mainly with 1 unit. A few details are off, though. III/JG301 received their Ta152H-0s from the factory in January. I believe they got around a dozen of them at first and received more here and there at later dates. They would have gotten more initially, but allied strafing attacks destroyed many on the ground. The gruppe spent the month of February converting to the new type and was combat ready by March. In March the 152s were transferred to stab/JG301 and saw the majority of their action with this unit. The Ta152 was in frontline service for around 3 months and in combat for about 2 of them. JG11 also received a couple of 152s, but they may or may not ever have engaged in combat with them.

This is all from memory since I am at work, so some of the specifics may be off, but it is a good enough overview of the service history of the Ta152H.

Most of this info can be found in Hermann's Ta152 book. His sources are from wartime evaluations and reports, in addition to getting a lot of his info from Focke Wulf's chief test pilot.

[moot]

Fame has never registered any appeal for me. Whether the 152's an oddity or anachronism doesn't matter to me.  Even getting into the WWII trip, no other plane fits me so well. I wouldn't want to die in any other plane than it.  I'd fight later planes in it if WWII had lasted years more.  The rest of the planes just fall short of the optimum fighting formula.  The other accomplished dogfighting designs are no lesser in absolute terms but just don't match my flying.
The 152 just floats my boat.  It flies more like I want a plane to fly and fight than any other.   It's the quintessence of the 190.  It's the optimal compromise between difficulty, exclusivity, payoff, and sheer pleasure of using a tool that executes my intent in flawless consonance.

Or at least it used to be before AH2's FM.

[ariansworld]

152 can kill temps at 30k easy.

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by mussie
The strange thing was I knew I was gonna hit him.... I dont normally have much faith in a long shot like that, but for some reason with the 152 it seams a dam sight easier....

Any way enough of me... lol [/B]

If you fly any one aircraft for long enough that happens, mate.

Same thing happened to me with the K4... I plinked a Pony who thought he was safe at 800. 3 rounds it took at D800 and losing ground. I had my tracers off so he had no idea that the first shot went low.

The 152 should be a great fighting machine.... with the way it is I can't really fly it too much... Cockpit is too ugly, stalls are too whacky (and I fight in 190s as I do any other aircraft... down to the wire) and it's slower than the Dora at low altitudes.

 

[moot]

It was completely different in AH1, Xasthur.

[Krusty]

In AH 1 it was actually possible to fly it without it being a total fish-out-of-water. NOW it seems no amount of trimming can make it fly smoothly. Any amount of bank or pitch sends the centering ball to one extreme or another.

It's very much like the old mosquito FM.

It's not even "bad," it's just plain unstable at any point of its flight envelope, and this is totally unrealistic.