Author Topic: electro-shock treatment of kids by school (Read 899 times)

texasmom · « **Reply #15 on:** December 26, 2007, 06:39:13 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
breaking news......it has been reported that bee stings do not "tingle" they hurt.

Yeah, that don't tingle ~ it hurts.

lambo31 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 26, 2007, 06:54:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
Did a little reading and apparently the shock treatment is not like the kind used to treat depression which passes electric current through the brain. The treatment in question here involves wearing a backpack with electrodes attached to the torso, arms and legs. The shock is remote controlled and lasts about two seconds...tingles like a bee sting.

Proponents of this treatment say it is effective and causes no harm. I've heard there are some games out there which deliver a similar shock. This is not a medical procedure. Not like Cuckoo's Nest at all.

Les

I can't see any good that would come from holding a bee to my kids arm and letting it sting them.

Lambo

Leslie · « **Reply #17 on:** December 27, 2007, 12:09:30 AM »

Oh I agree Lambo. I stepped on a bumblebee when I was a kid and it felt like a hot coal. From then on I was careful walking around barefooted. May have even saved me from stepping on more harmful things like nails in boards and the like as I grew up.

I didn't say I was a proponent of shocking troublesome kids. I think some of you thought it was electro convulsive shock, and that is not what the article was talking about. I'm not a psychologist and have only read about some subjects which deal with psychology.

I really shouldn't have commented at all, seeing as how I don't know enough about it. I am probably naive, but the ones doing it say it works and is effective. I think they are psychologists.

I would have to wear the backpack and get shocked by it to have an informed opinion how badly it hurts. If someone here has worn the backpack in question and says it hurts then I will believe them. I do not doubt those who administer these treatments have tried it out on themselves. I suspect it would hurt (it was used as punishment,) but I read in the article that games employ the same or similar shocks. Perhaps someone here can offer information about this? Some kind of tank game or something?

It is just hard to believe this school for autistic children is hurting these kids, and I would like to believe it is not so. It would truly be bad if they were.

I do not agree with the practice of waking children up to punish them. I can think of nothing more cruel and ineffective. It is obvious the powers that be at that school are idiots. They acted on a prank call and didn't verify the source. I believe most of us here would agree that could be stated as fact.

Les

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 27, 2007, 08:05:01 AM »

well.. this is perhaps a solution to the whole waterboarding thing...

We can simply give prisoners "shock therapy" till they talk.

Torture is torture. Schools have no right administering medical procedures if this is indeed a medical procedure. If it is not a medical procedure then it is simply torture.

lazs

Leslie · « **Reply #19 on:** December 27, 2007, 11:04:43 AM »

Yes I agree with you Lazs that it is torture. The more I read about the Rotenberg Center, the worse it looks.

Les

Arlo · « **Reply #20 on:** December 27, 2007, 07:58:28 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
well.. this is perhaps a solution to the whole waterboarding thing...

We can simply give prisoners "shock therapy" till they talk.

Torture is torture. Schools have no right administering medical procedures if this is indeed a medical procedure. If it is not a medical procedure then it is simply torture.

lazs

I'm not gonna say anything smarmy about how much we agree on this, Laz.

lazs2 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 28, 2007, 08:48:20 AM »

good... I couldn't take that.

lazs

Tigeress · « **Reply #22 on:** December 28, 2007, 09:00:58 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
good... I couldn't take that.

lazs

I'm gonna say it for you two!

Arlo and Lazs agree!!! Yea!!!

TIGERESS

Xargos · « **Reply #23 on:** December 28, 2007, 12:35:47 PM »

texasmom · « **Reply #24 on:** December 28, 2007, 12:44:01 PM »

(Just means that regardless of how much you disagree on... well.... everything... that you're still both good & decent folks)

Tigeress · « **Reply #25 on:** December 28, 2007, 01:14:05 PM »

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Originally posted by texasmom
(Just means that regardless of how much you disagree on... well.... everything... that you're still both good & decent folks)

Amen to that TxMom and that goes for just about everyone.

Also, your sig line says a lot: You have enemies? Good. That mean's you've stood up for something, sometime in your life. ~ Sir Winston Churchill

I may strongly disagree with someone but I try very hard not to hurt them or wage personal attacks on them or wish them ill.
These two boys enjoy their verbal combat with each other and it is obvious to me they respect each other. It gives me no end of enjoyment to watch them go at it!

There is a woman I have been friends with for years... both of us dated the same guy and thus started talking at a party.

She is a self-identified Socialist and she and I are very much of different political views. We don't discuss politics and instead talk kids, men, food, etc.

TIGERESS

crockett · « **Reply #26 on:** December 28, 2007, 01:21:59 PM »

There are a few people here in the O Club that I'd love to try GED on.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:39:28 PM »

crock-it... you and what army?

oh wait.. you are a socialist...

nevermind.

and for 88... I do not believe that governments should torture.. it is simply a bad precident.

On a personal note tho.. if I needed to know something bad enough... if it was to save one of mine.. I would do what I have to do.. it would be ugly and effective. I would make peace with my concience later.

as val kilmer as doc holliday said in "tombstone" "my hypocrisy knows no bounds."

lazs

Airscrew · « **Reply #28 on:** December 28, 2007, 02:56:59 PM »

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Originally posted by texasmom
(Just means that regardless of how much you disagree on... well.... everything... that you're still both good & decent folks)

Or it could mean, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in a while...