the world's largest and most expensive science experiment starting soon

[Pooh21]

I wonder if HT will have a "King of the Hill" event on 12/21/2012?

Ya know, kinda like the Last Man standing event?

 

Mac

Would being hit by a meteor,Raptured, or eaten by a zombie count as a forfeit?

[Holden McGroin]

For a privat sector most important is to make $
this experiment is much more then just a question of $ its way beyound it.

Those working for Bell Labs, at one time a division of AT&T, have 6 Nobel prizes awarded:

1937 Clinton J. Davisson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for demonstrating the wave nature of matter

1956 John Bardeen, Walter H. Brattain and William Shockley received the Nobel Prize in Physics for inventing the transistor
 
1977 Philip W. Anderson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for developing an improved understanding of the electronic structure of glass and magnetic materials

1978 Arno A. Penzias and Robert W. Wilson shared the Nobel Prize in Physics. Penzias and Wilson were cited for their discovery of cosmic microwave background radiation, a nearly uniform glow that fills outer space in the microwave part of the spectrum

1997 Steven Chu, shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for developing methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light

1998 Horst Stormer, Robert Laughlin, and Daniel Tsui, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for the discovery and explanation of the fractional quantum Hall effect

[Russian]

IIRC Bell Labs were funded by DoD....it was way before DARPA......

[Holden McGroin]

IIRC Bell Labs were funded by DoD....it was way before DARPA......

The cosmic background radiation experiment was due to Bell trying to get clearer trans atlantic phone service.  They built this antenna to transmit and receive telephone traffic, and somebody asked Penzias and Wilson, "See what you can do to get rid of all this static."

The static was the cosmic background radiation.

ATT was (is) a for profit private corporation.

[moot]

I get the impression that I have a completely misguided idea of what this project is about. Although no body seems able to elaborate on the error of my ways.

You've been told a few different times in different ways, I gave a link with some pretty layman explanation.  You don't seem to be after information but arguing for the sake of it.. If someone's confrontational, it's you.

I've got one rocket scientist trying to provoke me with accusations of advanced age (which I never thought was a bad thing)

Re-read my post. You're that old but not wise enough to follow leads on answers to your questions.. You don't even take the time to do a minimum of research on the subject.  I'm not provoking anything, I'm telling you exactly what's the problem here, your unwillingness or incapability to read what's explicitly said black on white.

, another telling me the public sector is the wellspring of all the neat stuff I have (internet excluded, but I still think Gates and co. deserve the lion's share of that credit, it seems the work done at CERN was going to happen wherever Berners-Lee was working ) even though as I look around me I see very little that government research has spawned for my benefit. I'm still waiting to eat a Big Mac on the moon.

Public sector rant aside, the reason we're not eating a big mac on the moon, or Mars for that matter, today, is that taxpayers' money hasn't funded it.  We could be on Mars right now.  We could have tons and tons of useful common applications to show for all the research, but the public mostly ignores it.  For what reasons... Well, look at the proportions of the national budget.  NASA has less than one percent of the budget.  You bet, we could be BBQin on the moon right now.

For those of you who are not "in the know", there's a collider here in Illinois, called Fermilab. They've been engaged in this type of research for decades now

You don't say?!  You don't suppose maybe the results from instruments like those at Fermilab were part of the reason for building the LHC? 

and as far as I know we're still waiting for a practical application to emerge from there.

So what, do we just sit on our tulips improving Big Mac science till it catches up to particle physics?  That's retarded..  That Feynman diagram I posted up there was a joke but maybe it was spot on, according to how you'd have things done.

By the way, Einstein, "Free science breakthroughs for the world to benefit from, at no taxpayer cost."

Like I said, "as far as I've seen"; who funds the LHC never caught my attention, and it doesn't change the fact that your complaints aren't even informed.  You know that you don't know much at all about something, and yet post about it being a waste of money, and then get all pissed off when you get called on it and try to go off on some random cheapo rimshots like try to ridicule me cause I defrosted my freezer with a wrecking ball .  That's your problem, not mine.. Get a grip.

[moot]

n/t

[Thruster]

It's simple, you can't have a real dialog on a subject that's over your head. You have to rely on links to the job a functioning mind would do for the rest of us. I would think the manly thing to do would be walk away or at least let somebody with a little more on the ball take up the fight for you. No such luck. Oh well.

Besides regurgitating the short bus version of what the project is about I suggest you learn. Learn what they are actual doing and what the next logical step will be if their hypotheses' are confirmed. Then maybe you can articulate your own opinion with out leaning on visual aids, other peoples work or third grade provocations. I'm done playing with you. I said my piece in context to the post a while ago. You don't like it, go power wash a toaster.

[moot]

I have no idea wtf you're on about.
The LHC didn't get built without a lot of specialists arguing for it, and acting treasurers poking holes into the specialists groveling.  It just doesn't happen. 
Leading edge scientific research only rarely makes an overnight difference in every day livelihood.  That's common sense too.
The higher energies than in every previous particle smasher allows for all the new theories it's testing to gain some new substance, for better or worse.  This is common sense too.
It's also common sense to do a minimum of research so that you have something to back up any assertion about a certain subject (e.g. the LHC being a waste of money).

You're just playing around to somehow save face on your initial assertion that the LHC is a gigantic waste of money and no more than a mental jerk off.
e.g. this:
"Besides regurgitating the short bus version of what the project is about I suggest you learn. Learn what they are actual doing and what the next logical step will be if their hypotheses' are confirmed. Then maybe you can articulate your own opinion with out leaning on visual aids, other peoples work or third grade provocations. I'm done playing with you. I said my piece in context to the post a while ago. You don't like it, go power wash a toaster."

Is what you need to read, yourself.  You could've done this by PM but for some reason chose to keep the argument public in a thread that's not topicaly related..  Your doing the whole way, a to z.

[Stott]

Any idea of the cost of that helium? Price it:-)

[Fury]

...This is uncharted territory: The collisions at LHC could spray out strange new kinds of matter,
unfurl hidden dimensions of space, even generate tiny glowing reenactments of the birth of the
universe. In short, there is more than just the search for the Higgs going on at the LHC.
“We don’t even know what to expect,”

And 13 billion years from now, the little guys created by LHC will be debating God vs. science vs. intelligent design

[SIK1]

And 13 billion years from now, the little guys created by LHC will be debating God vs. science vs. intelligent design

And 13 billion years from now the guy that created the LHC will be a god.