Republicans really need a black candidate because

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

That's an excuse, people don't feel obligated because(basically) they don't give a s**t of other people, government or no government.

Not true at all.

And besides, once again, it is not the government's place to try to MAKE people give a damn, nor is it the government's place to take their money for other people.

[Timofei]

Not true at all.

And besides, once again, it is not the government's place to try to MAKE people give a damn, nor is it the government's place to take their money for other people.

I guess we just have to disagree.
I have been "fortunate" to travel a bit in a "thirld world", seeing a mother, with a baby, living in a wooden shack, no water, no electricity, mother having AIDS, dying slowly.
I did not know what to do, except buying some food and milk for the baby. Few years ago, don't know what happened to them.
So sorry, "Founding Fathers" and "moral obligation" are not efficient soundbites to me.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I guess we just have to disagree.
I have been "fortunate" to travel a bit in a "thirld world", seeing a mother, with a baby, living in a wooden shack, no water, no electricity, mother having AIDS, dying slowly.
I did not know what to do, except buying some food and milk for the baby. Few years ago, don't know what happened to them.
So sorry, "Founding Fathers" and "moral obligation" are not efficient soundbites to me.

They are not "sound bites".

And you still haven't shown where any government has the right to "force people to be charitable". It sure isn't in the Constitution of the United States.

See, the problem here is, you, and those like you, want to tell everyone what "charitable causes" they MUST give THEIR Money to. You feel YOUR right to make that decision supersedes OUR right to make that decision. Which means you feel you are morally superior. The rest of us take serious exception to that.

If YOU want to give to the charity of YOUR choice, I'm fine with that. In fact, I'm GLAD you feel strongly enough and are willing to back those feelings with YOUR money. However, that DOES NOT entitle YOU to decide what charity I spend MY MONEY on. See I give my money to places like the MDA, or St Judes, or my local church. And it is MY money, to give to whom I see fit. It is NOT YOUR money, nor is it the government's money, to give to whom YOU see fit.

[lazs2]

timo-fey..  virgil is doing a great job in explaining the basics to you even tho you are not paying attention...

There is an easier way tho.. you can prove us wrong.   We didn't always have socialism and welfare here..  Can you tell us how many people starved to death during the great depression?    No fair counting the insane or those lost in the wilderness.

People do indeed help people.   Most christian charities have a far better record for helping people than government programs do.

I would also bet that I give more to help people every year than you do.   I do resent having it extorted from me tho..

I would also point out that all your liberal rich folk who think we should all pay more in taxes..  all give to the charity of their choice to AVOID giving it to the government..  why would they do that?  why not just give all the money to the government and let them redistribute it if they think the government does it so well.

lazs

[mietla]

As for the American Dream, it is alive and well.  You just have to follow through on your half of the deal; Work for it!  That's something that you socialist leaning "left of centers" seem to always forget and are perpetually chastising those that do.

If you don't work for it, you don't deserve it.  Anyone that comes to America legally or is born here has the chance to achieve the American Dream, it just requires that instead of holding your hands out, you use those hands to work for it.

I came here (legally) in 1982 with my wife, two little daughters (1yr and 2yr) and $500 in debt. Did not speak English. I've work pretty hard (2-3 jobs at times) but now I'm retired at 52.

Anyone who says that American Dream is dead or that there is a job discrimination in US is full of crap.

[bustr]

Laz,

When Angus talks about low crime rates and nonsense like that for Iceland, remember thier population is about 300,000 and they live on an island. It's only in august this year that Iceland will accept about 200 palistinian refugees from Iraq. Previous to this, here is an Icelandic answer to non Icelandic looking people.

One of Iceland's most enduring symbols is called Fjallkonan, or the Lady of the Mountain. And, like almost every Icelander, the Lady of the Mountain is white. When the editor of Iceland's Grapevine Magazine decided to pose a black model in the traditional Lady of the Mountain costume, no one in Reykjavik would rent one to him. The magazine's efforts to find the costume instigated a national conversation on immigration and race.

Laz you get the feeling we only hear from the lefty liberals of other countries on this BBS?????