Author Topic: A Furball oriented arena suggestion: (Read 187 times)

Ripsnort · « **on:** April 09, 2001, 01:55:00 PM »

Anyone remember "BOB BOB BOB" calls in WB's beta? (Confirmed Kill)?

Have an arena (Dueling Arena) where you 'join a mission', but this 'mission' is just a flight roster with the Aircraft already pre-determined (by the mission maker?) while the opponent is also joining their mission. There are a pre-determined number of slots (equal) for each side. When the mission fills up, the flight auto take-off's or air launches. Pilots simply fly straight ahead after launching until they run into the enemy. Either have a AI make random missions up or have the mission creator have control over it, just as long as he has control over the enemy mission too so one person can easily do the simple work of posting the mission for everyone involved...or have an AI auto-generate it.

This sort of thing could be used in our current Dueling arena with some edits to the mission planner to allow a player to add a mission for both sides. One could log into the arena and a panel would pop up showing which flights were 'in-flight' and which are awaiting pilots to fill the roster in order to launch. Have the mission editor allow 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 4 vs 4, 8 vs 8, 16 vs 16.

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Tronspir · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2001, 08:17:00 AM »

Laz, any comments?

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2001, 08:46:00 AM »

Would everyone start at once? Would you have to wait for the mission to fill up? Would it be death = wait until furball is finished?

If so, you are pretty much anti everything that furball-only crowd is arguing against. Nobody wants to wait for a fight, they want it here and now.

AKDejaVu

Yeager · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2001, 09:14:00 AM »

I want a milkshake arena!

Why? I was hoping you would ask!

Because:I feel like having a milkshake.

Y

Ripsnort · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2001, 09:16:00 AM »

I dunno, could be many options, there may be 3 or 4 different ones waiting to be filled up or just starting, one might have 2 vs 2 in it, one might have 8 vs 8, if you died in the 8 vs 8, you could immediately join the 2 vs 2 that has 3 participants...it would a a flowing furball...the wait for filling would be dictated by the number of users and number of missions up. Tired of the Zekes vs F4U-1d's? Jump into that FW190A5 vs. P51B 4 vs 4 mission after your next death....the possibilities are endless.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »

The possibilities may be endless, but so would the wait times.

Seems you're better off just getting your squad and another to meet in the DA and set it up on your own.

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:27:00 AM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The possibilities may be endless, but so would the wait times.

Seems you're better off just getting your squad and another to meet in the DA and set it up on your own.

AKDejaVu

Doubt it, you ever played EAW at MZ? Same type of set up. Never waited more than 2 min for a flight to launch, even when only 12 online.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:48:00 AM »

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Doubt it, you ever played EAW at MZ? Same type of set up. Never waited more than 2 min for a flight to launch, even when only 12 online.

And they were competing against a 200 person main arena?

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:55:00 AM »

Well, I understand your pessimistic attitude Deja, comes from months on end of rain in the Pacific Northwest. Just thought it might be worth suggesting.

What ever floats your boat, Deja.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2001, 11:53:00 AM »

Rip,

Its not pessimism. You presented an idea that you thought would apeap to furballers. I don't think it will.

Kinda have to get into the mind of a furballer to understand why. Chaos is a furball.. instant action in every direction. If you die, you get right back into it and hope you can find the SOB that killed you... if not... at least someone flying the same type of plane. You hope that nobody bounces you the same way you are bouncing the plane in front of you... or you're hoping that the guy behind you has bad enough gunnery to allow you to kill the guy in front first.

What you have presented offers none of that. It offers evenly matched well set up engagements more suited for squad vs squad battles... or organized events. Few people seem to want that on a regular basis.

Its a good idea.. you are just aiming it at the wrong market.

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »

I disagree, as a constant attendee of the Dueling and TA , I often watch folks log in and say "Wheres the action, is there a FFA going on?"....this is what it is, a FFA, except everyone is on an even playing field so to speak, not all taking off from the same field as in the TA, or, hunting around the dueling arena for a fight. The neat part of this idea is there is only 2 plane types per session allowed (there may be several plane types overall, you pick), so the fight isn't spits,Tempests, Zero's, Chogs...it may be just Spits and 109F's, or Chogs and N1ks..etc.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2001, 01:01:00 PM »

whenever I was in a furball in the TA, most people prefered to up from the same field so they could instantly be in the battle. That's how instantly they wanted the fight to be. Same was true of most of the h2h servers.

And I don't know of a single time where people were really eager about limiting plane choices.

Like I said, its a good idea.. just aimed at the wrong crowd.

AKDejaVu

Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2001, 01:20:00 PM »

Your just missing the point deja.
Dueling arena fields at the top are 25 miles or less apart. When you and your opponent up from fields there, it takes about 1 -2 min. to be within dot con of each other. That's about a instant if not more than the TA. Besides, TA has a problem of vulchers on the runway, not so in Dueling arena.

Limiting plane choices? You missed the point again, for ONE duel, yes, mission number 1 on the board has only Spits and 109's (Thank God! Nothing worse than having a good furball when suddenly a Chog swoops in and takes everyone out!) Flight 2 has Chogs and N1K's (hey, its a 2 vs 2, perfect!) Flight 3 has 6 participants and is awaiting 2 more, it has LA7's vs 109G10's, looks like its gonna NOT wait for 2 more and start with 6 only (3 vs 3)...the idea is, its more controlled environment than the TA...the users have an easy to use menu to select the furball they want without having to 'build' a mission.

I might add the interface can be relatively simple:

PLANETYPE <SELECT>(Clickable box)<accept button>
OPPONENT <SELECT>(Clickable box)
FIELD<SELECT>(Clickable box)
NUMBER <selectable showing 2,4,6,8,16>
AIRSTART OR GROUND LAUNCH?<SELECT>(Clickable box)
AUTOLAUNCH WHEN FULL?(YES,NO)

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2001, 05:56:00 PM »

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Limiting plane choices? You missed the point again, for ONE duel, yes, mission number 1 on the board has only Spits and 109's

No, I'm not. I understand you completely. And what do you do when nobody wants to fly the same plane as you or the plane against you? You have to select what others are willing to participate with. Limiting.

And I've been in plenty of H2H servers where vulching was not allowed. The fight was right there and instantaneous.

Basically Rip, your plan assumes that you can get even a small group of people to agree what planes to fly and when to start. This community does not seem conducive to that. If it were all that was available, it would be fine... but the MA offers so much more.

So, at the risk of being repetative, excellent idea for the wrong audience.

AKDejaVu