La-5FN and Fw190A-8 external stores

[juzz]

These two are missing their full options for external stores loadouts.

The La-5FN could carry 6 RS-82 rockets or 2 FAB-100 bombs under the wings.

The Fw-190A-8 with the addition of various bomb-racks and a reduction in armament to only 2xMG151/20 became the F-8 and G-8 fighter-bombers.

We have some of the F-8 loadouts, ie: the 250 and 500kg bombs, but not the wing racks or the 4x50kg centreline options. I believe there were some F's adapted to carry torpedoes too?

The G-8 could carry a 300 litre drop tank on each wing, and a centreline bomb of up to 1800kg in weight.

Once low-level air-to-ground operations become possible(read: acks fixed/finished) then these loadouts will be much welcomed by LW types, and for use in historical missions. After all, the Navy types are getting their -1C ground-pounder  

[funked]

G-8 could also carry a 250kg bomb on each wing as well as on the centerline.  

F series could carry up to 8 50kg bombs or 70kg cluster bombs.  A very nice gift for the ack weenies I think.  

The detail that HTC has put into the Fw 190A has been amazing so far, so I have no doubt that they will finish the job properly as they continue to add variants.

[leonid]

Regarding hardpoints on La-5FN.  They had them for the installation of FAB-100 bomb racks, but don't know about those rockets.  In any case, I've read that in practice the racks were never often used, because they messed the COG so much, it made flying the La-5FN risky.

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leonid
129 IAP VVS RKKA

[funked]

Punt

[skippy]

4x82mm  RS82 rockets for la5, according to Soviet Military Aircraft Museum.

[Weave]

I reference to the La-5: Rockets for what, killing ack, M-16, or M-3? Rockets don't do diddly against a panzer. I would rather have a drop tank for some additional range.

...Weave

[Sorrow[S=A]]

No drop tanks weave- VVS was usually less than 40 miles from the front lines and their planes had no need for long range. Thus only 1 VVS plane ever had them (guess which one hehe).

HOWEVER the rockets are a biggie. The rockets BTW came in 4 and 6 packs. The 2 rail system went in planes like the Il-2 as they were usually mounted in multiples to allow the rockets to be used against seperate targets. the three rail system went into fighters as fighters only made one pass, fired the 6 rockets and exited. It's a big missing link as though it was rarer to see them on the 1944 planes all fighters carried them at one point or another unless all you ever flew was combat patrol or in a guards unit. ALL VVS planes were given the ability to attack ground targets, not just the Il-2, yet VVS planes are the only ones in the game right now with no ground attack capability. While this is probably correct for the Yak-9U the La-5FN _should_ have it's rockets.

BTW an interesting point- we have modelled here a 1943 very early La-5FN that was flown by Kozhedub. Looking at this link  http://www.dogfighter.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000129.html
You can see a LaGG-3 with the rockets standard in 1943. Also there is an interesting point by Oleg- Most of the data about top speeds etc etc included all external racks during tests. I wonder if this is why ours has so much lower speed than the posted numbers for the planes? If pyro used tables with these stats in them the speeds for planes with rail racks and bomb racks attached would look very out of synch with the ones without (a great difference according to oleg). Maybe this is why every VVS plane so far has been so much slower than the official numbers in books.

[funked]

 

Maybe this is why every VVS plane so far has been so much slower than the official numbers in books.

Yak-9U and La-5FN match the numbers in my books (Gordon & Khazanov) quite nicely.

[Sorrow[S=A]]

That's funny funked. Have you ever really bothered checking those numbers? Many many variations exist for both on top speed (ROC is fine) and most put the La-5FN at 400-395 mph top speed- however here we have a lowball 385 mph only stated in quality check performance numbers. Fine for a plane with no paint left and a few hundered hours of operations under it's belt- not so fine for a brand new plane.

As for the Yak- everything I read on it from korea to performance reports done in russia said this plane did 435 mph top speed. Yet here it does 420mph thats 5 mph slower than a p51 at it's top speed. This is not right! The 9u was one of the fastest VVS fighters there was and should be faster here.

[Vermillion]

Funked and Sorrow, your both right... and both wrong    

As Leonid and myself have said on this board many times, the VVS aircraft in the game are being looked at in a somewhat different manner than the others. This is because the USSR kept two different types of data on their aircraft (no other country did this). "Prototype" data where they were testing the aircraft to its limits, and "production" data where they were doing quality assurance testing.

Do you use the "prototype" numbers for VVS aircraft? Then they will match the numbers Sorrow is posting.

Or, do you use the "production" numbers for VVS aircraft for common off the production line aircraft? This will match the numbers in the game and what Funked is supporting.

Actually Funked, both sets of numbers are in Gordon & Khazanov, it just all depends on your aircraft modeling philosphy as too which you use.

Personally, I'm on the "prototype" side of the debate, since I feel that this more closely matches the conditions that the Western aircraft were tested under.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"


[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 08-28-2000).]