Panzers MG34 Anti Aircraft gun..

[Fishu]

How about JagdTiger with 128mm cannon that could well fit the need for artilery gun  
(or hummel?)

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Not nearly so good as the 105 armed M4A3.

Glad I'm not the only supporter of the Sherman 105  

Only problem is range   short barrel version.

M-12 GMC, now thar's a beast.

- Jig

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
 Ops, found out that I was looking at PZ-IVg next to the PZ-Va stats..
Yes.. even in my source its '43 as I we're looking at correct line.
D is mid, A is early    

But I think you made the same error, Tiger I is '42    
Tiger I is '42 and Tiger II is mid '44
(Tiger came out before Panther right?)

I wouldn't have anything against Tiger II's 40mm top armour.. (or something close)

[This message has been edited by Fishu (edited 09-05-2000).]

Panther VD (or 'D') was first then the VA (or 'A')

850 Panther D's made from January '43 to September '43. The D is considered the worst because of the 595 HP Maybach engine, and constant transmission problems, all related to insufficent testing time. Combat debute was Operation Zitadelle, and the Panthers D were almost 8 tons over the original planned combat weight. Thus the whole thing about the Panthers being barely manuverable started. Then the Pz V D2 came out witht he 715 Maybach and things changed in a hurry  

Next came the Pz VA ('Panther A'), 2000 produced between August 1943 and May 1944.

Only real differences were a redesigned turrent and mantlet, and a ball mount for the hull MG34.

Pz VG was produced from March 1944 to April 1945, 3126 made.

Driver slit, replaced with periscope, and the night vision equipment.

Okay okay so the Pz VI Ausf B was a December '43 tank, sorry   489 made between '43 and '45.

- Jig

[Vermillion]

You guys all keep asking for bigger & slower tanks where I would go the other route.

The M24 Chafee light tank.

A 75mm gun w/coax .50, and a .50 AA MG in the commanders position. Plus it will go 35mph.

Of course it don't have the armor a heavy tank would have, but for gameplay, I think the faster tank would be my preference.

------------------
Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Pongo]

Chaffee would be great. 40mm at fields might give it trouble though.

[funked]

I've been asking for the M24 since they first announced that tanks would be in AH.  I would love to see that tank.  Also I think some of the German recon vehicles with heavier armament would be excellent.  And of course the Soviets had a variety of fast, light tanks.  

Give me a lot of speed, and enough firepower to take out airfield targets.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-05-2000).]

[Suave1]

Artillery would be a nice addition . Indirect fire requires team work and communication. It would add another facet to this gem, and it would be yet one more reason why this game is superior to other sims .

[Suave1]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Chaffee would be great. 40mm at fields might give it trouble though.

To follow up on a discussion we had before, I did a test with the 40mm ack offline. I bombed all the ack at 27 except one 40mm. Then I ran a panzer down the hill from 56. The first time I died before I could say "one-one thousand". The second time I died in four seconds. Both times I was being shot in the frontal armor .

[Pongo]

Here is what I do...try it.
drive towards an ack at non tobagan speeds and stop as soon as it hits you. see how long it takes a 40mm to kill you. I doubt it ever will. frontal shots against a panzer IV from a 40mm dont seem to hurt it. Now if you give it a rear shot well..different matter.
If you let it sneak up within 100 meters..differnt matter too.
If you let a ostwind behind you in a panzer yup...probebly kill ya if it has ap.
But frontally the 37mm will not normally kill a panzer IV. Which is what we were talking about. I just spent another night getting my hull warmed by 40mm please dont tell me they are dangorouse to a reasonably driven panzer...
 

[Suave1]

I had stopped before I was in range, then drove up untill I was shot . It didn't give me time to put in R and back out like the 20mm ack does .

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Here is what I do...try it.
drive towards an ack at non tobagan speeds and stop as soon as it hits you. see how long it takes a 40mm to kill you. I doubt it ever will. frontal shots against a panzer IV from a 40mm dont seem to hurt it. Now if you give it a rear shot well..different matter.
If you let it sneak up within 100 meters..differnt matter too.
If you let a ostwind behind you in a panzer yup...probebly kill ya if it has ap.
But frontally the 37mm will not normally kill a panzer IV. Which is what we were talking about. I just spent another night getting my hull warmed by 40mm please dont tell me they are dangorouse to a reasonably driven panzer...
 

Acks rarely kills panzer, but wait for Hispano, it's 20mm kills panzer through front  

* fish's only panzer kill ever in Fw190A-8, done through front hull in very low angle *

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
Panther VD (or 'D') was first then the VA (or 'A')

Okey.. got to give a check for those months  
I don't know months very well in english.. still.

[Pongo]

Sauve. I dont know what to say. The only time I think I have been killed by it was when it was firing at an AC and I drove a few 100 yards closer befor it fired at me. And I think that was on the side. If I approach it the way I described it never hurts me. Not even damage. And this isnot some small sample I have spent 20 minutes sitting in it fighting other tanks. As long as I stay at 1200 or so and keep my front to it. Nothing.
I must have been hit many thousands of times by 40mm ack and not been hurt by it. I think that my experiace is typical....Are the smaller guns at the airfields 20mm or 50Cal?

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Sauve. I dont know what to say. The only time I think I have been killed by it was when it was firing at an AC and I drove a few 100 yards closer befor it fired at me. And I think that was on the side. If I approach it the way I described it never hurts me. Not even damage. And this isnot some small sample I have spent 20 minutes sitting in it fighting other tanks. As long as I stay at 1200 or so and keep my front to it. Nothing.
I must have been hit many thousands of times by 40mm ack and not been hurt by it. I think that my experiace is typical....Are the smaller guns at the airfields 20mm or 50Cal?

German 20mm quad's. Nasty guns with a much longer barrel then the MG 151. (At least that's what it APPEARS to be, they could be .50 but the gun plate looks like the German one)

I don't they there are .50 cal ack anymore (least I haven't seen it)

- Jig

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Sauve. I dont know what to say. The only time I think I have been killed by it was when it was firing at an AC and I drove a few 100 yards closer befor it fired at me. And I think that was on the side. If I approach it the way I described it never hurts me. Not even damage. And this isnot some small sample I have spent 20 minutes sitting in it fighting other tanks. As long as I stay at 1200 or so and keep my front to it. Nothing.
I must have been hit many thousands of times by 40mm ack and not been hurt by it. I think that my experiace is typical....Are the smaller guns at the airfields 20mm or 50Cal?

Those 'small guns' hurts alot, so it is like 20mm.
...at least it does blow up halftracks pretty fine from long range.