OSTWIND ROF???

[dudedog]

Could the real Osti fire all 1 thousand rounds non-stop? With all this uber-osti talk goin around not that i care much) maybe we should implement changing ammo clips or over-heating barrels etc...

[funked]

Yep.  Been saying this from day 1.

I understand that there was not an ammo clip like on the 2cm flak, but a hopper that the crew had to add shells to constantly.  You can see it if you pan your view in the turret.  But what about ammo storage?  Those 37 mm shells aren't that small.  Could they really fire all 1000 without having to stop and get more ammo ready?

Also the traverse rate seems quite high.

And I'm still not sure the gunners in the open-top turret are easy enough to kill.

If those three issues are valid and are addressed, then a lot of the current Ostwhining will stop.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 10-17-2000).]

[Jigster]

Well if you consider that the Hispano is capable of pentrating between 15 and 30mm of armor on the Panzer IV chassy, you'd think that smaller rounds with AP heads would have no problem penetrating the gun shield.

Granted I think a Ostwind crew could haul ten or fifteen strips out of the hull compartment to feed into the hopper, how easy would this be bouncing along at 25 mph?  

AAA guns normally only have to fire in bursts because of supporting armor or infantry, but used such as in AH, the barrel would melt fairly quickly  

Btw I think only the elevation is porked, while the Panzer IV series had hand cranks for fine adjustment of the gun for the turrent ring, I doubt the Ostwind uses the same gearing system for the AAA gun. Perhaps they even use the electric drive. The Panzer IVJ was the only one to have exclusively hand operated turrent ring, and it suffered greatly in battle because of it. Elevation, however, was hand cranked on the Ostwind by the crew.

- Jig

[Fishu]

Jigster, there were electric pedals for fast movement to track planes  

There isn't any jamming problems for aircraft guns... you can just all your ammo in a fighter without jamming the guns..
I bet that sooner or later some of the guns would jam when shooting 200 rounds through on a single blaze...
Let's model jamming for the planes too  

[Jigster]

I have no problems with that Fishu  

There's the Ostwind, Hispano, and spray-and-pray answer in general in one stroke. If it could be done. Jamming is one of those random things that would prolly take needed CPU cycles for calculations to do the random check.

Btw I figured it used the same electric turrent ring...even the hand cranker 5 inch flaks on the USS Texas had electric traverse...and it ended it's war in '42.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
I have no problems with that Fishu  

There's the Ostwind, Hispano, and spray-and-pray answer in general in one stroke. If it could be done. Jamming is one of those random things that would prolly take needed CPU cycles for calculations to do the random check.

Btw I figured it used the same electric turrent ring...even the hand cranker 5 inch flaks on the USS Texas had electric traverse...and it ended it's war in '42.

Check that. Let's change it to heating of the barrel leading to distortion of the barrel and eventual melting in some situations. That wouldn't need complex calculations (programming is another manner)

Jamming wouldn't effect the Ostwind, the crew had quick access to the breech.

- Jig

[brady]

 the gun on the ostwind was fed from a tray,that could hold two clips of 8 rounds each. The tray fed into the side of the gun.As the rounds were consumed one merely slapped another clip down and locked to the one being consumed,and so on. In other words it was not fed like the 40mm boffors,a US army tec. intel report says that it could easily fire 120 rpm.
   
      Brady

[StSanta]

I saw on the Discovery ch that the sides of at least some versions(?) of the Ostwind had "flaps" of armour hat had to be taken down when the gun was to fire. Well, this was true for the 20mm pnz III chassis variant. They then said hat changng the 20mm for a 37 helped somewhat, but still was far from enough.

Dunno if this is true or not.



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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[brady]

 I think you are referring to the "Mobelwagon" a earlier flakpanzer ,who's sides were folded down to form a fighting platform. when up it looked like a big box on top of the tank(hence the term Mobelwagon,or moving van in english)The mobelwagon used the same 37mm gun and their was if memory serves a quad 20mm variant.

      Brady

[Ghosth]

Well my point of view is that when Field AA has to stop fireing to reload. When Fighters fire their guns to long they risk jamming. Then I won't mind haveing to stop fireing my osty to reload.

Besides It's darn seldom that I hold the trigger down for more than 8 to 12 rounds currently. The exception being when pounding hangers.

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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
Scenario Corp, AH Trainer Corp

[Pyro]

It had a cyclic rate of fire of 250 rpm and a practical rate of fire of 150 rpm.  In AH, we use a steady 150 rpm for simplicity's sake.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[Fishu]

Uu.. 250rpm would be a terror when gets lined up good.
So we just got a spray & pray poppy version of Ostwind  
250rpm with gunner that has a good aim... oh dear, that would be a menace

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
Uu.. 250rpm would be a terror when gets lined up good.
So we just got a spray & pray poppy version of Ostwind  
250rpm with gunner that has a good aim... oh dear, that would be a menace

Naw, would be more like the MG34.

Lowered to below 700 rpm it was leathal past 100 yards. RPM above 700 rpm and recoil led to the good ol' "burp gun" designation. After the first few shots it sprayed like a shot gun.

Btw all the MG34's on the Panzer and Ostwind only have a 500 rpm rate Pyro.  

- Jig

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
Btw all the MG34's on the Panzer and Ostwind only have a 500 rpm rate Pyro.  

Is this right? eeek!
Got to check that one..
Also muzzle flash for those panzer guns is like shooting cannon, I hardly think that is correct for a machinegun with tiny flash hider... it still has muzzle flash but surely not as great that you'll blind totally in the daylight