Hello again Wmaker, thought you'd be out there on my six somewhere 
Tusk, I have absolutely nothing personal against you. None. But if you keep insisting that a moment that yaws the aircrafts nose downwards during a sustained turn somehow makes it turn better, I will keep correcting you so that others here wouldn't errorously start thinking that way aswell and think that herefore there's something with AH's Camel. I haven't even said that there couldn't be anything wrong with it. I merely said the gyroscopic precession isn't making it turn better or worse to any direction in a sustained turn.
I'm well aware of your blind spot with this issue but I don't see how anyone could follow that earlier thread to the end and not arrive at the same conclusions.
Heh. On the contrary. I don't see how you can arrive into any different conclusions than mine but I'm not gonna start debating with you about it since the discussion is already had. I just suggest that you and anyone else that has any doubts reads that thread again.
Do you understand that the gyroscopic effect causes a yaw to the right when you pull the stick back
On this part I agree. This is what the gyroscopic precession causes. And it does it in the game already. Again, how would such a moment that causes that motion make an aircraft turn with a tighter radius? The force is there yes, but it does nothing to turn the aircraft any tighter. Wings carry the aircraft through the turn. The slowest speed you can fly that turn at is determined with the lift of your aircraft at that condition/close to it. All these forces are changing as you are settiling into the turn and become constant as the constant turn radius/speed is achieved.
Is it any suprise that an additional force in the yaw axis increases the rate of turn?
Look above. Such a force can't cause the aircraft to turn any thighter. It can however cause it to depart directionally. When the speeds too low for the "lift" of the fuselage to resis the gyroscopic moment. This happens already in AH for example in top of a slow ellipse loop where the momentarily very small turn radius increases the gyroscopic moment while the aircraft is at very slow speed. Again those things it does.
Modern aerobatic pilots use gyroscopic precession created just from their props to perform some amazing 'outside the flight envelope' reversals and tumbles;
They certainly do and it is very intertaining to watch such performances. But there the departure has already occurred. The aircraft really dropping more than flying at that state. Yes, some form of control can be maintained but the aircraft in those situation isn't really flying until sufficient airspeed is reached again to do so. Has absolutely nothing to with a turning contest where two aircraft are turning at their sowest possible turn speed to get the radius of the turn as small as possible. That is a steady state where all the forces involved are in equilibrium.
