Me410

[Greebo]

The P-38 has Fowler flaps that increase the wing area when deployed, the 410's flaps are conventional. So I'd guess the 38 would turn a bit better than the 410, at least when the fight slows down a bit.

[Charge]

Well, this is based on Wiki data:

Wingloading on max take-off weight: ME410: 63,5 lbs/sqft, P38L: 66 lbs/sqft, FW190A8: 54 lbs/sqft
Powerloading on max engine power on max take-off weight: ME410: 0,14 PS/lbs, P38L: 0,16 HP/lbs, FW190A8: 0,185 PS/lbs

This kind of numers a rather vaque, however, since the max weights do not list the loadout so they could be quite far from typical weights but should give a ballpark of the airframe performance (also listed the FW190 for shts 'n giggles).

-C+

[Stoney]

The P-38 has Fowler flaps that increase the wing area when deployed, the 410's flaps are conventional. So I'd guess the 38 would turn a bit better than the 410, at least when the fight slows down a bit.

Not necessarily.  Wingloading, powerloading, flap type, etc. are merely single characteristics of the aircraft.  Taken out of the appropriate context, they are meaningless when comparing aircraft.

[Greebo]

I was careful to say "I'd guess".  

The point I was trying to make was that the wing loading figures given for the P-38 would be with the flaps retracted. With them deployed the wing area is significantly increased and if the wing area goes up, the wing loading goes down.

[Fatboy26]

Been doing a lot more reading up on it.  As far as performance, in the bbs link I posted earlier moot has some charts comparing wing/power loading.  I wouldn't expect the 410 to out perform any fighter.  There are records of 410's killing Allied fighters, but most are controversial.  For example Eduard Tratt is said to have killed 5 P-38's in a 410A, 3 of them in one day.  Luftwaffe records don't exactly match U.S. records on that. 

As far as the Bk5 goes, I'm finding that there were some successes against bombers with it, but that the 6 or even 8 mg151 configurations were preferred for Destroyer sorties.  The majority of the 410's with the Bk5 were sent to the eastern front for ground attack in an attempt to delay the Russians.  Eventually some on the Bk5's were replaced with a 40mm due to malfunctions and ammo capacity.  I still haven't found any 100% trustworthy sources (haven't ordered books yet), but I'm piecing together the common information on the sites that I've found.

As far as the 410's overall participation in the war, from what I've read, if the 210 did not have the structural and flight problems, the 210/410 would have completely replaced the 110 and played a much larger role.  But due to the delays in development, the 410 was doomed to play a smaller role and be set aside for larger numbers of smaller fighters.

[Stoney]

I was careful to say "I'd guess".  

The point I was trying to make was that the wing loading figures given for the P-38 would be with the flaps retracted. With them deployed the wing area is significantly increased and if the wing area goes up, the wing loading goes down.

I wasn't trying to be obtuse.  Lately we've had some serious  threads where folks are taking these types of comparisons and running with them, so I suppose I'm over sensitive.

 

[Fatboy26]

I probably should start a new thread for this.  Does anyone know how the guns are modeled on the 110G2?  For example I'm assuming the 4 Mg151 is modeled as 2 in the nose an 2 in the ventral tray, is the 2 Mg151 modeled as 2 in the nose or two in the ventral?  I've read that the two in the nose were removed at one point to improve balance.

[morfiend]

As far as the Bk5 goes, I'm finding that there were some successes against bombers with it, but that the 6 or even 8 mg151 configurations were preferred for Destroyer sorties. 

 The 8 cannon 410 was a single plane customized to that configuration.The loadouts available on this plane are incredible,4x30mm ans 2x20mm or my fav the 2xmk103 30mm 2 or 4 20mm plus the mg's. I believe Moot determined the 6x20mm carried 1700 rds of cannon ammo.