Panther vs M4/Panzer, etc.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Earlier tonight, I was fighting in a Panther at one of the V bases on the Bish front. At least 4 different times I hit an M4 or Panzer dead center hull or turret and the round riccochet'd off into nothingness lol. Now, normally would not even bring this up but my film viewer does not work on my comp so I couldnt check this, but on 2 of the 4 occasions I was fired at and killed 1 shot, once by a Panzer and once by an M4....at ranges of over 1200 yds. Thoughts on how ridiculous this is?

[Skyguns MKII]

Earlier tonight, I was fighting in a Panther at one of the V bases on the Bish front. At least 4 different times I hit an M4 or Panzer dead center hull or turret and the round riccochet'd off into nothingness lol. Now, normally would not even bring this up but my film viewer does not work on my comp so I couldnt check this, but on 2 of the 4 occasions I was fired at and killed 1 shot, once by a Panzer and once by an M4....at ranges of over 1200 yds. Thoughts on how ridiculous this is?

as for the M4 idk, but keep in mind how old the panzer model is

[SmokinLoon]

The M4/76mm and the Panzer IV should have a challenge busting through the Panther at 1200 yards, but the Panther should be able to cut right through the M4x and Pzr IV at the same range.

Both the Panzer IV and M4/76mm can penetrate 81-83mm armor @ 30 degrees at 1000 yards, according to various sources.  The Panther could penetrate about 112mm at the same distance vs same 30 degree sloped armor.  Other than angle of impact I'm not sure what else to say other than they were right on the edge of being able to beat your front armor.

 

[Butcher]

Earlier tonight, I was fighting in a Panther at one of the V bases on the Bish front. At least 4 different times I hit an M4 or Panzer dead center hull or turret and the round riccochet'd off into nothingness lol. Now, normally would not even bring this up but my film viewer does not work on my comp so I couldnt check this, but on 2 of the 4 occasions I was fired at and killed 1 shot, once by a Panzer and once by an M4....at ranges of over 1200 yds. Thoughts on how ridiculous this is?

Here's the problem, without film there's nothing to be said here, we can't explain what we can't see. However anything below 3k you should easily be able to kill a Panzer/M4 without any trouble from the front, assuming you are hitting the tank square and not on an angle.

What I can say is make sure you are hitting the tanks armor Dead on at 0 degrees, if the tanks turned slightly the armor increases and less likely a chance for a penetration.

I can't say anything because at 1200 yards it doesn't matter what angle an M4/Panzer would be that a kill shot would not happen. Then again without Film this is pointless

[AWwrgwy]

Apparently ricochets were running rampant for everyone last night.

Solar flares.




wrongway

[Butcher]

Apparently ricochets were running rampant for everyone last night.

Solar flares.
wrongway

hooter is having a very horrible time with Ricochets lately, counted over 300 while I have usually only had one or two per day in 30+ tank engagements.

[Killer91]

I don't know about the M4 but the panzer has as certain area on the front of it that you can shoot all day long with ANY tank (Don't know about the Tiger2, I haven't drove it much so IDK) and riquechet every shot from any distance off of it. Its just below the turret where the armor is kind of curved. I can't think of a single time I've ever been able to penetrate the armour in that area. As for the M4 there seems to be a bug with it. Like the OP I don't have film but my Panther was killed by an M4 76 at about 2300yds in one shot after I bounced 4 rounds off the front of his tank.

[Butcher]

I don't know about the M4 but the panzer has as certain area on the front of it that you can shoot all day long with ANY tank (Don't know about the Tiger2, I haven't drove it much so IDK) and riquechet every shot from any distance off of it. Its just below the turret where the armor is kind of curved. I can't think of a single time I've ever been able to penetrate the armour in that area. As for the M4 there seems to be a bug with it. Like the OP I don't have film but my Panther was killed by an M4 76 at about 2300yds in one shot after I bounced 4 rounds off the front of his tank.

You have to aim for the Turret or Lower Front hull or the Hull itself, that curved area is most commonly shot at and will deflect rounds.

[steveb999]

Pretty much everyone I have been hanging with the last few days has been complaining about ricochets or hitting tanks 3-6 times with no kill. I generally run a t34/85 or better and haven't really noticed issues but yesterday I ran a Panzer several times and I too found that several direct hits were doing nothing to M4's and T34's at less than 2k range. Something "seems" to be up. *shrug*

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Pretty much everyone I have been hanging with the last few days has been complaining about ricochets or hitting tanks 3-6 times with no kill. I generally run a t34/85 or better and haven't really noticed issues but yesterday I ran a Panzer several times and I too found that several direct hits were doing nothing to M4's and T34's at less than 2k range. Something "seems" to be up. *shrug*

agreed

[shermanjr]

yes has noticed that too with my panther vs m4 76s within 600 yards i have film but have no idea how to post it tho

[Seanaldinho]

Im gonna throw this out there since they may be related but it also seems some planes have become "invincble" such as the LA7 where me and 2 other squadies who put alot of 20mm into the la with no kill (we were flying mossies)

[Pyro]

If you have a good example of this happening, send us the film and we can see exactly what's going on.  Most of the time it's just the strike angle being greater than what the shooter thought it was but we've found plenty of issues in various vehicles by reviewing films.  I don't know of anything that would have changed in the latest version to affect this aside from what has already been listed in the readme.

[Butcher]

If you have a good example of this happening, send us the film and we can see exactly what's going on.  Most of the time it's just the strike angle being greater than what the shooter thought it was but we've found plenty of issues in various vehicles by reviewing films.  I don't know of anything that would have changed in the latest version to affect this aside from what has already been listed in the readme.

What kind of issues are you finding if you can say so? I would like Hooter to send you a few of his films, he's logging hundreds of ricochets and I am starting to experience them as well - my issues have come from shooting a tank in the rear, for example and Engine shot or Turret, and the rounds will bounce 8 of 10 times, Knowing the armor of an M4(76) rear, vs a T34/85 at 600 yards - I logged over 20 ricochets.

Even shooting a Panzer from the side at 600 yards, I thought I might of aimed towards the front of the turret, but on the film it shows dead center on the side, only to watch a HVAP bounce off.

I might of had an issue however due to a virus which was attacking my frame rates. I got fed up of my FPS dropping from 90 to 27 everytime I moved, I ran a virus scan and it seems things are back to normal game wise.

[W7LPNRICK]

Well, my experience is just the opposite. I can't kill a panther no matter what. I think I've killed 1 since they came out...on the ground. Tarded quite a few 
for about 2-3 weeks, nearly ever thing I shot, glanced off...no idea why? I usually do kill shots, on the run with consistence from my 85. Finally tonight I landed 15 GV kills at rooks A1 on a bunch of wirbles and a t-34/75(Side) with a Panzer(front turret shot).  Maybe it's back? Hope so.