K-61 vs. P-40f

[Krusty]

Historic tests showed it to, Squire. That's all.

[Karnak]

Wing loading gives a rough gauge, but it is not the be all, end all data point for determining turning ability.

[Wmaker]

Historic tests showed it to, Squire. That's all.

The Ki-61 tested against FM-2 in that test wasn't the variant included in AH but an earlier lighter variant.

[Squire]

That makes some sense the earlier Ki-61-1 varients of @6500 lbs were in the same ballpark for wing loading at least. "Out turning" varies with alt and speed as well so I could see it comparing favorable to an FM-2 in some flight regimes.

[Mitsu.]

We have the most poor performance version of the "hien"...though it has good 20mm cannons on the nose.

I hope HTC will release more Ki-61 variants...
The Ki-61-I-Ko/Otsu (this early version is 250kg lighter than Ki-61-I-Tei, flight performance is better. 591km/h at 5000m, 5min31sec to 5000m)
The Ki-61-I-Hei (MG151/20 in the wings.) has good punch against buffs with some flight performance loss.
The Ki-61-II-Kai is better than Ki-61-I-Tei at speed/climb/accel with 1500hp HA-140 engine. 610km/h at 6000m, 6min to 5000m. and its 20mm is increased to 200 rounds each (Tei is 120 rounds).
The Ki-100-I is much better than Ki-61 at turn and accel with Ki-61-II's armament.

 

[Stoney]

Historic tests showed it to, Squire. That's all.

Was that broken out into degrees/sec of sustained turn, or just one of those general ubiquitous "out turned" statements that test flights of the era were famous for?  And that's an honest question, not a troll...

[Krusty]

It wasn't listed in feet, but it said they had the same turn radius and rate as each other. Neither could be listed as superior to the other in the turn, that kind of thing.

[nrshida]

I think we established with documentation from three separate sources during our last Ki-100 debate that AH's Ki-61 had unaccountable extra weight, if memory serves.

[Wmaker]

Was that broken out into degrees/sec of sustained turn, or just one of those general ubiquitous "out turned" statements that test flights of the era were famous for?  And that's an honest question, not a troll...

Here's a link to that test: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/japan/Tony-I.pdf

There's no numerical data given. The report states the following: "The minimum turning radius was equal to that of the FM-2."

The weight of the Ki-61 is question was 6150lbs. So, as I mentioned, the Tony in question is a significantly (1500lbs) lighter earlier variant than the Ki-61 which can be found from AH. And the normal take off weight of the earlier variant was 6504lbs so the Tony in the fly off wasn't fully loaded.