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Mr Ripley
« on: March 06, 2015, 11:28:24 AM »
What was the site you showed for an alternative to PC Part picker??

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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2015, 11:45:29 AM »
NM I found it .. sorry

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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2015, 12:04:33 PM »
Here is a build i am gonna do to replace the one I have now..

PC Hound Part List

CPU: AMD FX-8350 Black Edition  ($162.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Killer  ($116.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: CORSAIR 16GB (2 x 8GB) Vengeance Pro  ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: ASUS GeForce GTX 970 STRIX-GTX970-DC2OC-4GD5  ($342.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 1000W SuperNOVA 1000 P2 220-P2-1000-XR  ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Crucial 256GB MX100 CT256MX100SSD1  ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Case: IN WIN 904.PLUS  ($232.45 @ Mwave)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Pacific CL-W063-CA00BL-A  ($301.98 @ Newegg)
Windows: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit  ($180.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator  ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Headphones: Razer RZ04-00720100-R3U1  ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK  ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan #2: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan #3: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver AS5-3.5G  ($8.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Z 70SB150000000  ($99.84 @ Amazon)
Total: $2,060.11
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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2015, 12:23:53 PM »
That FX-8350 is not a good CPU for games. It has 8 cores but each core is not very fast. I think the G3258 will beat it while being a fraction of the price.

For other uses like database crunching and other multi-core scalable tasks the FX is a better deal.

You could save enough money to trade that 970 to a 980 just by swapping the cpu/motherboard and taking a smaller PSU (as the G3258 is lower power). That would give you much more fps for your games. Think about it. Also I would take a Fractal Design case instead of that IN-Win. Save an easy 80 bucks more and get comparable quality.

Actually this youtube video shows that the cheap G3258 gets better framerates in games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEEuXQf29Z4
« Last Edit: March 06, 2015, 12:33:11 PM by MrRiplEy[H] »
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2015, 12:43:43 PM »
Took your advise ... how does this look

PC Hound Part List

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258  ($69.99 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SLI  ($131.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: CORSAIR 16GB (2 x 8GB) Vengeance Pro  ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 04G-P4-2983-KR  ($575.66 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 220-GS-0850-V1  ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial 256GB MX100 CT256MX100SSD1  ($110.98 @ Newegg)
Case: IN WIN 904.PLUS  ($238.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Pacific CL-W063-CA00BL-A  ($301.98 @ Newegg)
Windows: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit  ($180.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm Devastator  ($17.99 @ Newegg)
Headphones: Razer RZ04-00720100-R3U1  ($113.22 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-209DBK  ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan #2: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan #3: Noctua NF-P14s redux-1200  ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver AS5-3.5G  ($8.99 @ Newegg)
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster Z 70SB150000000  ($104.99 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $2,212.67
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2015, 02:11:25 PM »
What's the deal with the 300$ water cooler.  Do you plan on really o/c it like crazy?  I'm not that up on AMD stuff or open loop water cooling, is this the normal procedure now?  It just seems like a lot of expenditure, 15% of the total budget, for a cooler.  Just wondering how much performance for the $ it gives.  I've used both a 100$ Corsair closed liquid cooler and Noctua's 70$ premium air cooler, and been able to overclock x79 stuff to 4.4 with it, and 4.6 with the Corsair.  How much better/more performance can you get with the open loop water cooler set up like this one in your build Lawndart, and is it worth it for medium to higher priced builds?

I'm putting together the parts for an x99 build, I was going to wait for Skylake before doing anything else other than GPU, but a very cheap 5960x fell into my lap, so I'm going to build it.  How easy is open loop to set up and is it worth it compared to cheap 100$ ish closed and air options?

« Last Edit: March 06, 2015, 02:19:22 PM by Gman »

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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2015, 03:43:32 PM »
I have been wanting to put one of those PSUs on the scope. They have about a 5% failure rate right out of the box, which I realize could be a statistical anomaly created by the very customers that choose it. The problem is that the units that have died have taken other components with them. At least the PSU is covered.
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2015, 05:03:50 PM »
What's the deal with the 300$ water cooler.  Do you plan on really o/c it like crazy?  I'm not that up on AMD stuff or open loop water cooling, is this the normal procedure now?  It just seems like a lot of expenditure, 15% of the total budget, for a cooler.  Just wondering how much performance for the $ it gives.  I've used both a 100$ Corsair closed liquid cooler and Noctua's 70$ premium air cooler, and been able to overclock x79 stuff to 4.4 with it, and 4.6 with the Corsair.  How much better/more performance can you get with the open loop water cooler set up like this one in your build Lawndart, and is it worth it for medium to higher priced builds?

I'm putting together the parts for an x99 build, I was going to wait for Skylake before doing anything else other than GPU, but a very cheap 5960x fell into my lap, so I'm going to build it.  How easy is open loop to set up and is it worth it compared to cheap 100$ ish closed and air options?

Good call, the G3258 doesn't need anything more than the Cooler Master EVO 212 to clock to 4.6Ghz. Save 240 bucks more.
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2015, 10:44:58 PM »
I wasn't trying to criticize the build or get into "this costs less and works as well" sort of thing, I thought/think/hope that Lawndart is an H20 open look o/c user and builder and knows about these things  (if not, and that cooler choice was just a mistake, then I agree with Rip, get something cheaper).  That's something I've never done, my shop I've used exclusively automatically voids the warranty on everything in your PC if you install one, so I've never once looked into it.  Their warranty is fantastic as well, for 2 years they replace anything with whatever is currently out there/better, so I don't really want to lose it in my current systems which I just sunk more $ into.

That said, I wouldn't mind building a budget rig maybe if there is a CPU out the that really benefits from having an H20 open loop enthusiast sort of cooling system, as 1, I've never done it before, and 2, I know a lot of the super high end stuff, a lot of the 5960x enthusiasts build theirs with open loop, and have their tri sli video cards cooled with water blocks that are part of the entire cooling loop.  So, with my new 5960 build, it's something to consider, as well as building a modern 300 celeron sort of deal, the cheapest/fastest cpu that will really o/c like balls with an open loop.  And no, I'm not interested in tri sli, but I wouldn't mind exploring single or 2 card SLI open loop options in the x99 project.
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 12:22:06 AM »
hey lawn i have that soundblaster gathering dust in my closet you can have it for shipping

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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 04:34:15 AM »
I wasn't trying to criticize the build or get into "this costs less and works as well" sort of thing, I thought/think/hope that Lawndart is an H20 open look o/c user and builder and knows about these things  (if not, and that cooler choice was just a mistake, then I agree with Rip, get something cheaper).  That's something I've never done, my shop I've used exclusively automatically voids the warranty on everything in your PC if you install one, so I've never once looked into it.  Their warranty is fantastic as well, for 2 years they replace anything with whatever is currently out there/better, so I don't really want to lose it in my current systems which I just sunk more $ into.

That said, I wouldn't mind building a budget rig maybe if there is a CPU out the that really benefits from having an H20 open loop enthusiast sort of cooling system, as 1, I've never done it before, and 2, I know a lot of the super high end stuff, a lot of the 5960x enthusiasts build theirs with open loop, and have their tri sli video cards cooled with water blocks that are part of the entire cooling loop.  So, with my new 5960 build, it's something to consider, as well as building a modern 300 celeron sort of deal, the cheapest/fastest cpu that will really o/c like balls with an open loop.  And no, I'm not interested in tri sli, but I wouldn't mind exploring single or 2 card SLI open loop options in the x99 project.

Gman the point was that if he's willing to switch to the G3258 the water cooling rig is a TOTAL overkill. The Pentium chip has a TDP of 53 watts so even if you overclock it it produces way less heat than the AMX FX8350 running in normal clocks.

Of course everyone is free to make their own choices but my experience with water cooling setups are basically the following: Unless you're running a high-end CPU and plan to extreme overclock. Repeat extreme. Then a watercooling setup may be sensible. But for casual users (like me) a quality tower air cooler is reliable, silent and easy way to cool the computer.

I tried several different water cooling setups along the years because I thought I could make the computer cool and super quiet with them. To my dismay all of the setups I tried were much noisier than the quality air coolers. The water pump and the water flowing make a surprising noise.

I haven't tested the new closed loop systems so I can't speak for them but let's put it this way: I have a water cooling setup right now, in the closet collecting dust. Just not worth the trouble - and then you have to worry about leaks too.

If my house had an indoor swimming pool then I would probably DIY rig a cooling loop to it. :D

Ebfd: You didn't mention specifically if this was going to be a mainly gaming computer or if you're on a tight budget. Even if you're not on a tight budget, why spend more than you need to? At least I wouldn't. I'm actually kicking myself in the teeth right now for getting the i5 instead of another G3258. I was that impressed with its performance on the other box.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2015, 05:45:33 AM by MrRiplEy[H] »
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Re: Mr Ripley
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 06:25:25 AM »
As a side note, most water cooling systems use fans to cool the liquid. The fanless systems I know of use a huge finned water tank almost bigger than the computer case. The recipe for building a silent air cooled system is simple: Use more and bigger fans! Slowly rotating large fans in a case build partially out of mesh will move lots of air without noise.
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