about these dive bombers

[Arlo]

So it is modeled, just not universally (which it technically could be - after all, what's a bomb compared to a shell?).

[Zimme83]

The problem is the all-or-nothing damage model, it means that a hit with a 1600lbs AP bomb on a ship is next to useless since the ship is still fully functional, all you can destroy is a few guns. CV damage heals in 5 mins so your hit will not help others kill the cv either. In real life such hit would most likely force the ship out of the battle or even sink it.

It might not be possible to do but one solution could be to have the flight deck as a separate object that you could destroy w AP bombs and thus make it impossible to launch planes, It could have a 15 min damage like a hangar.

[Arlo]

It might not be possible to do but one solution could be to have the flight deck as a separate object that you could destroy w AP bombs and thus make it impossible to launch planes, It could have a 15 min damage like a hangar.

Ironically, as an avid CV ops player, I think I may like the idea of a carrier that is 'disabled' by fire and deck destruction. As long as there would also be a 'damage control party' option (players who select man guns on the ship also being considered factors toward damage control). The DC function could merely be speeding up the repair time. The factor being tabulated as # of players manning guns would simply be a way for players to actively defend the ship (ie: have something to do other than hold a hose) yet also be something the game could measure.

As you said, though, dunno if this could be practically implemented. Basically, if the other side is trying to sink your CV and your side is having a hard time stopping that this may be a way to buy your ship some time until enough players decide its worth defending.

[Lusche]

The problem is the all-or-nothing damage model, it means that a hit with a 1600lbs AP bomb on a ship is next to useless since the ship is still fully functional, all you can destroy is a few guns.

And for that, even smaller GP bombs are much better than the AP, thanks to the much larger damage radius.
There is, for example, no point in taking the 800kg AP bomb in the G4M over the 4x250kg GP bombs. Those four small bombs do 14% more damage (combined); over an area 25 times as large (per  bomb).

[Zimme83]

And for that, even smaller GP bombs are much better than the AP, thanks to the much larger damage radius.
There is, for example, no point in taking the 800kg AP bomb in the G4M over the 4x250kg GP bombs. Those four small bombs do 14% more damage (combined); over an area 25 times as large (per  bomb).

Yes. The AP bombs have no advantage over the GP bombs against any target with the sole exception of the 1000kg AP on the Stuka - if you drop it through the roof of a hangar it will go down. But all the other AP-bombs are useless since the extra damage doesn't help you destroying anything that cannot be destroyed with the GP bombs available.

[RODBUSTR]

     The term Stuka refers to a type of airplane not the model Ju87.

[Zimme83]

     The term Stuka refers to a type of airplane not the model Ju87.

Yes and no, the term is a short for "dive bomber" in german but it has become so associated with the Ju87 that it is in reality refers to the Ju87.

[Krusty]

I suspect he's thinking of "Jabo."

[Arlo]

Sturzkampfflugzeug = "Dive Bomber." (Germans have a rather painful way of saying simple things, hence the Anglos fixing it for them.)

[Vraciu]

Sturzkampfflugzeug = "Dive Bomber." (Germans have a rather painful way of saying simple things, hence the Anglos fixing it for them.)

 

[Zimme83]

Sturzkampfflugzeug = "Dive Bomber." (Germans have a rather painful way of saying simple things, hence the Anglos fixing it for them.)

There are others that are even worse; for ex Hävittäjälentolaivue (fighter squadron in Finnish) or our own Granatkastarpansarbandvagn (a mortar equipped APC)...

[Lusche]

Granatkastarpansarbandvagn (a mortar equipped APC)...

Granatwerferpanzerkettenfahrz eug - Works in German, too 

Actually, it sounds very 'official' as the Bundeswehr still uses a lot of similar behemoth (and kinda outdated) German terms...