How about an Infantry Squad?

[Buzzbait]

S!

I know this Sim is primarily Air oriented, but we do have ground vehicles.

The next logical step would be to introduce a player controlled 10 man Infantry Squad.

Here's my suggestion:

The player would take the part of the Squad Leader, and would see the battle field through his eyes.  He'd be armed with a Submachinegun or Rifle, his choice, plus be able to use grenades.

Under his command would be one guy with a Light Machine gun like a MG42, BAR or Bren Gun, one guy with a Light Anti-tank weapon like a Bazooka or Panzerfaust, and the remaining 7 members of the Squad with rifles.

The player controlled Squad Leader would be able to move and fire his weapon, and either be in a standing or prone position.

All the other members of the Squad would duplicate the movements of the Squad Leader, adopting the same postures and moving when he does.

The Squad members would fire when the Squad Leader fires, except for soldiers whose weapons were out of range.

All the Squad members would be individual targets and could be killed separately.  There would be no wounding to keep it simple.

If the Squad Leader is killed, and there are remaining Soldiers left, then the player is moved to the viewpoint of one of the remaining the remaining Soldiers and continues until all the members of the Squad are eliminated.

A Squad could be transported in an M3 or LVT, and be paradropped.

We could see hand to hand fighting for the Map room...  


I think this addition could bring in a lot of FPS guys who normally wouldn't be interested and could significantly add to the revenue base of AH.  Plus it would add to the fun of all the rest of us who could then strafe all the dweebish ground pounders with our superior flying machines.  

Comments?

[moose]

hmm, good idea, but i'd rather it just be a single person that wouldn't have an icon until d500

eventually the numbers in the arena would be enough so that the troopers could move in organized squads.

[Buzzbait]

S! Moose

One guy isn't enough firepower to get anything done.

A Squad was the smallest normal fighting unit in WWII.

It had both Anti-tank and Anti-air or Anti personel capability.  Ie. a Squad could take on another infantry Squad, a GV, or even a strafing aircraft with the LMG.

A single man can't carry enough weaponry to deal with all the potential sources of opposition.

Plus a Squad is the size of unit we already have fitting in a M3, LVT or C-47.

A player could take a Squad, which could then crew an M3 or LVT.  That way he'd have something to do while he was on the way to the battlefield.

[BenDover]

how about a sniper rifle as well, just imagine:
some guy gets in a me262 and is about to take off,
u go prone and look thru the sight,
then u aim at his head,and pull the trigger
then u quikly type .squelch <his name>  

[Dago]

And maybe we could call it "WW2online"?  

dago

[Buzzbait]

S!

Why called it after the name of a failure in programming?....

AH has done it right before, they can do it right with infantry.

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Buzzbait:
S! Moose

One guy isn't enough firepower to get anything done.

A Squad was the smallest normal fighting unit in WWII.

It had both Anti-tank and Anti-air or Anti personel capability.  Ie. a Squad could take on another infantry Squad, a GV, or even a strafing aircraft with the LMG.

A single man can't carry enough weaponry to deal with all the potential sources of opposition.

Plus a Squad is the size of unit we already have fitting in a M3, LVT or C-47.

A player could take a Squad, which could then crew an M3 or LVT.  That way he'd have something to do while he was on the way to the battlefield.

Buzzbait,

There are several like Audy Murphy that would put that statement to rest. One man can indeed  be the one to get "anything done"

As a counterpoint you are right as far as individual weaponry is concerned. Most combat on the ground is still infantry actions with rifles. They are backed by much heavier weapons systems and team work to achieve the tactical goal.

As a matter of what I think, I believe you are asking for WW2online. They are trying to provide the type of game you are asking for. Given the emphasis on air combat here, I think you are asking for more than is planned.

Mav

[JaCkNiFe]

i think 10 men is to much for now. IF they make inf controled by player make them be able to just use a rifle and see how it goes. then add on. if u chute outa ur plane i think u should be able to have a pistol. kill the sheep for food   (just need to get back at those mean little things) and to save ur life. AND u should be able to cap a base with ur self just walking in the map room. IF it does work later on u can muti a goon with 11 guys(10 for inf and one for pilot) and do raids. would be cool.

[DanielMcIntyre]

Snipers would be great, good for defending city and ambushing halftracks etc.  I'd like to see troops killable while in transit too, be fun to snuff a coupla troops from high ground when a m3 rolls past.

Another thing which would be good would be pilot / driver visible when manning m16, ostwind, pnzer mg.  Twould make AA vehicles more realistic imo.

As for sniping 262's on the runway, I don't think you'd get close enough for that

 

[Buzzbait]

S!

10 men versus 1 man:

1 Man:

AH covers large patches of territory.  It's a Sim focused on aircraft.  If you are on the ground, you spend a lot of time in transit.  If you are just one guy, you are likely to get to your objective, and then maybe have some success, but then get killed.  Then you are faced with repeating the whole long journey over again.  I think a lot of players would get frustrated with this, and give up on the individual man.

10 Men:

You will still take a long time to get to your objective, but when your Squad takes a causualty, you are not back to square one.  You have ten guys who can take a hit before you are out of action.  You will still have all the visual perspective of a single guy, ie. looking out of his eyes, firing his weapon, throwing grenades, etc.  But you also can give your Squad members orders, ie, fire the Bazooka, Fire the LMG.  Shoot at that target.  Perhaps there could be recorded voice commands which could be keystrokes, and which could be audible in the game.

By the way, despite all that Hollywood has tried to do to convince people that one guy can do it all...  Team work is the ONLY way to be successful in Infantry combat.

Anyone who has served in the Military or the Reserves knows the training is all about operating as a FIRE TEAM.

Squads would be very difficult to spot, especially if they were in prone position.  They'd be able to sneak up on Tanks and put a Rocket Propelled grenade into their backside or perhaps a sachel Charge.

A Sniper rifle would be an interesting option as a weapon for the Player soldier.

[BenDover]

Originally posted by Zygote:
As for sniping 262's on the runway, I don't think you'd get close enough for that

u haven't seen me on flashpoint,lets just say he could feel my breath on the back of his neck,just b4 i popped a cap in his arse.

come to think of it,all the stuff mentioned on this thread can be done in operation:flashpoint,but that isn't masivly mutilplayer though  

[JoeDirt]

flashpoint  sucks on my computer  

[BenDover]

wot're r your specs,mine are:

cpu:celeron 433mhz
gfx card:voodoo 4 pci
ram:191 mb
os: win 98se
sound: on-bored yamaha ????

[ 10-27-2001: Message edited by: BenDover ]

[JaCkNiFe]

like i say its a great idea. BUT just make a one man team. if others want to join and make a little "squad" out of inf then go for it. give them rifles and that is it. dont make it were it becomes a major ground war like WWIIOL that game is a great ground war game but... FPS suck and CRS sucks balls sooooo i say AH makes a few GVS and INF and shows WWIIOL what a true MP game is like. they dont have to make the guns look good. make em like sticks or something. it would just be cool to beable to fight in a city with rifle vs rifle and have a enemy chute land right next to u and u shoot him in the head when hes 5 feet off the ground  (bish and rook that is)