Why do Americans say Hitler and the Nazi's are Leftists?

[DmonSlyr]

You guys have it all wrong.

Any form of government that imposes its will against a nation is left wing by virtue, you are forcing citizens to bend to the will of the government in order to "protect" society from gangs and thieves, or other countries trying to take your announced land.

Government must be run by a group that establishes itself, and forces people to acknowledge its existence and laws. This is inherently a left wing ideology.

Now, you can have all sorts of governments who are more or less authoritative on how they control their population. This is where the left vs right argument comes into play. How much power does the government have over the individual and vice versa? Who pays regulations, who pays taxes, who owns the land, who owns property, ect. This puts people into whether they have a more conservative view of government control, normally less regulation, taxes, and has ownership of property along with more individual rights. OR liberal control, the opposite of that where people are forced to give up their ownership and have little control over their individual movement. Much like we saw with the recent lockdowns. Government removed your individual rights to run your business and in some countries, couldn't even go out in public for too far.

Any type of government that forces its will on the people using government force is inherently Liberal. Nazism is inherently a left wing ideology because it is government using its force to control business, control people's lives, remove religion so as to make the leader such as Hitler the Supreme ruler of your soul. Hitler used his government to force people to live a certain way. Or you have theocratic governments that force you to believe the religion and is forced upon the population using fear tactics like Sharia Law. This is government forcing you against your individual will to follow what you want. Its left in nature because the individual does not have a choice to live how they want or own what they want.

Hitler was extremely authoritarian with his government and murdered people who didn't follow his government. This is a leftest approach to government and always has been, whether you look at Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and strict Islamic countries. Hitler was not conservative because he did not allow individuals to practice free thought and did not allow individuals to change how his government would operate through elections. Totalitarian control by a government is always left wing because it's government forcing individuals how to live.

[decoy]

You guys have it all wrong.

I apologize for deleting most of your quote, but if I were to include it in its entirety, then this post would be cumbersome, at best.  I disagree with the way you use 'authoritarian' and 'liberal' interchangeably.

Liberalism, by definition, is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, while Authoritarianism is essentially the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

Theocracies, monarchies, democracies are all forms of government that can be either authoritarian or liberal in their practice.  It usually remains up to the individuals, or political parties, in power to determine exactly in which direction, and how far, they want the government to follow either philosophy.

To quote Lord Achton, "Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Therefore, you don't see any benevolent tyrants or dictators.  Even in the banana republics, where governments have been overthrown in order to replace a tyrannical dictator with a benevolent one, they tend to devolve from 'the rights of the people' to the 'rights of the government.'

Otherwise, a well presented point.   

[TheBug]

You guys have it all wrong.

Any form of government that imposes its will against a nation is left wing by virtue, you are forcing citizens to bend to the will of the government in order to "protect" society from gangs and thieves, or other countries trying to take your announced land.

Government must be run by a group that establishes itself, and forces people to acknowledge its existence and laws. This is inherently a left wing ideology.

Now, you can have all sorts of governments who are more or less authoritative on how they control their population. This is where the left vs right argument comes into play. How much power does the government have over the individual and vice versa? Who pays regulations, who pays taxes, who owns the land, who owns property, ect. This puts people into whether they have a more conservative view of government control, normally less regulation, taxes, and has ownership of property along with more individual rights. OR liberal control, the opposite of that where people are forced to give up their ownership and have little control over their individual movement. Much like we saw with the recent lockdowns. Government removed your individual rights to run your business and in some countries, couldn't even go out in public for too far.

Any type of government that forces its will on the people using government force is inherently Liberal. Nazism is inherently a left wing ideology because it is government using its force to control business, control people's lives, remove religion so as to make the leader such as Hitler the Supreme ruler of your soul. Hitler used his government to force people to live a certain way. Or you have theocratic governments that force you to believe the religion and is forced upon the population using fear tactics like Sharia Law. This is government forcing you against your individual will to follow what you want. Its left in nature because the individual does not have a choice to live how they want or own what they want.

Hitler was extremely authoritarian with his government and murdered people who didn't follow his government. This is a leftest approach to government and always has been, whether you look at Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and strict Islamic countries. Hitler was not conservative because he did not allow individuals to practice free thought and did not allow individuals to change how his government would operate through elections. Totalitarian control by a government is always left wing because it's government forcing individuals how to live.

Please educate yourself.  Ignorance is the greatest threat to our country and the lack of education is being exploited.  National Socialism/Fascism are far-right ideologies.   Communism is a far left.    Totalitarianism/Authoritarianism exists on both ends of the spectrum.  Very generalized answer so I suggest reading more on it if you would like to avoid looking very ignorant when posting.

[TheBug]

Otherwise, a well presented point.   

Suggest you educate yourself too.

[rabbidrabbit]

You guys have it all wrong.

Any form of government that imposes its will against a nation is left wing by virtue, you are forcing citizens to bend to the will of the government in order to "protect" society from gangs

Any type of government that forces its will on the people using government force is inherently Liberal. Nazism is inherently a left wing ideology because it is government using its force to control business, control people's lives, remove religion so as to make the leader such as Hitler the Supreme ruler of your soul.

Are there no examples of Authoritarianism that is not left wing?  I'm pretty sure there are a lot of them through history.  If you look at how I defined it, they all fit.  Looking at how you define it, I don't think you can make it fit together.  That is why I have been saying that Authoritarian governments, and this include Socialists to one degree or another, can be Left or Right since those two terms are relative and not philosophies or political constructs in of themselves.

[Arlo]

I apologize for deleting most of your quote, but if I were to include it in its entirety, then this post would be cumbersome, at best.  I disagree with the way you use 'authoritarian' and 'liberal' interchangeably.

Liberalism, by definition, is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, while Authoritarianism is essentially the enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.

Theocracies, monarchies, democracies are all forms of government that can be either authoritarian or liberal in their practice.  It usually remains up to the individuals, or political parties, in power to determine exactly in which direction, and how far, they want the government to follow either philosophy.

To quote Lord Achton, "Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely."  Therefore, you don't see any benevolent tyrants or dictators.  Even in the banana republics, where governments have been overthrown in order to replace a tyrannical dictator with a benevolent one, they tend to devolve from 'the rights of the people' to the 'rights of the government.'

Otherwise, a well presented point.   

He was completely wrong otherwise a well presented point? 

[decoy]

He was completely wrong otherwise a well presented point? 

Yes.  In the course of my life I've met many people who can eloquently present a point that is completely false.  I've also met people who are entirely correct but fail miserably in their ability to present their ideas rationally.

A rational presentation and an irrational point of discussion are not mutually exclusive.

[Arlo]

Yes.  In the course of my life I've met many people who can eloquently present a point that is completely false.  I've also met people who are entirely correct but fail miserably in their ability to present their ideas rationally.

A rational presentation and an irrational point of discussion are not mutually exclusive.

I believe they are quite exclusive. One may be eloquently irrational, I suppose, but not rationally irrational. It comes off as an effort to pretend nonsense is sense, to me. I will again show my appreciation for your gentlemanly manner, however.

[JimmyD3]

it all boils down to the "Depravity of Man". 

[Arlo]

https://www.abc.net.au/religion/nazism-socialism-and-the-falsification-of-history/10214302

[Shuffler]

If you have a child, grand child, or like in my case, great grand children that need diapers and formula, you should be upset about all of it the government has stashed in warehouses at the border for non-Americans. All at our expense and all for criminals.