Deliberate shade spying still going on...

[Skyyr]

Dolby has a point here.

YOU were the one who said SA differed between plane types, because of speed and energy retention lmao:

Speed and maneuvering and E retention have a major impact in the fight SA zone of combat.

lolol

While "logically" you may say it's the same furball, just spread out. This is not rationally the same furball because different situations present themselves as separation occurs due to faster planes and limits on icons and longer drawn out fights rather than sweaty turn n burns in early war planes. It's much harder to escape a furball with slower planes than it is in faster planes. Which is why if everyone flew in Jets, it would be much more boring than if everyone flew in midwar G2s.

Imagine not understanding that when everyone flies the same planes, you no longer have ANY speed advantage besides altitude which you can temporarily convert to airspeed until it bleeds back off due to drag.

You can't catch a G2 running from a G2 any faster than 262 running from 262.

You should genuinely review basic logic.

[DmonSlyr]

Good luck "solving the problem."  You're never going to change peoples' minds or train the masses to fight your way.  Most of the guys left have been flaying the same plane and using the same tactics for 20 years.  It would be great if everyone agreed, but playing from the defensive every flight gets old, as it already has.  Trust me, nothing makes me happier than absolutely schooling someone that has all the advantages while I'm in a less capable plane. 

The days of the furball are gone.  Might as well adapt and overcome.

Edited to add that your stats from the last few tours says you actually agree with me.  A lot of perk plane/late war plane kills.  🤔

So are the days of strategy....

40-6 in a 109G2, #1 G2 K/D in tour 291.  I don't have anything to hide. I don't fly those planes timidly at 20k or try to game an advantage over players by switching teams in the middle of their sortie and monitoring their kills on a stats page.

[DmonSlyr]

YOU were the one who said SA differed between plane types, because of speed and energy retention lmao:

lolol

Imagine not understanding that when everyone flies the same planes, you no longer have ANY speed advantage besides altitude which you can temporarily convert to airspeed until it bleeds back off due to drag.

You can't catch a G2 running from a G2 any faster than 262 running from 262.

You should genuinely review basic logic.

Basic logic says fights are different in late war super planes vs ww1 planes. Yes or No?

[Skyyr]

Basic logic says fights are different in late war super planes vs ww1 planes. Yes or No?

Nope. The same maneuvers and rules apply.

[LCADolby]

You can't catch a G2 running from a G2 any faster than 262 running from 262.

You should genuinely review basic logic.

G2s have the WEP variable, where a more skilled pilot could in theory catch a pilot not so good with WEP management.

[Skyyr]

G2s have the WEP variable, where a more skilled pilot could in theory catch a pilot not so good with WEP management.

So it's pilot skill and not the plane. Lol

Like I said, same plane vs same plane is indifferent.

[DmonSlyr]

Nope. The same maneuvers and rules apply.

That is false. Because If more planes are outside of the icon range. You cannot have the same type of SA as you do in a ww1, where most planes are within 2 miles. You cannot predict a plane that's outside of icon range if you can't see it. But you can predict a plane in a slower fight where more planes are within the 5k range. So If you turn to attack someone and a plane that's outside of 5k range comes in on you quickly. You'll have to adjust where as if they are in range, you wouldn't have made the attack.

[Skyyr]

That is false. Because If more planes are outside of the icon range. You cannot have the same type of SA as you do in a ww1, where most planes are within 2 miles. You cannot predict a plane that's outside of icon range if you can't see it. But you can predict a plane in a slower fight where more planes are within the 5k range. So If you turn to attack someone and a plane that's outside of 5k range comes in on you quickly. You'll have to adjust where as if they are in range, you wouldn't have made the attack.

LOL.

Imagine not knowing the difference between rules and tactics.

[knorB]

It’s not fair you’re in the same plane as me!!!!!

[Chris79]

Fun joke, a skitzo and a Narcissistic walk in a bar.

[DmonSlyr]

LOL.

Imagine not knowing the difference between rules and tactics.

Lol, imagine thinking a Ta152 furball would be the same as a C202 furball. It's simply is not true, and logic cannot measure people's actions. You can only do what you'd do. Ta152s and super late war would remain as timid as possible and extend much further away after crossing. Players in C202s aren't going to extend and will mostly go for the turn fights causing more of the furball concept.

Being able to extend away out of range before players see your icon is also very important. You arent considering top speed being the most important factor with dive ability relative to a plane with low E and it's ability to escape the fight. All in all, you'd see a lot more timid players, only BnZing and staying out of icon range as much as possible before setting up an attack. Where as in mid war planes and earlier war furballs are much more concentrated because more people turn and can't as easily BnZ when your plane compresses. They cannot escape the furball combat zone as quickly due to lower top speeds.

Then you factor in bullets and how effective they are, and how quickly they bring planes down, this also prolongs fights when bullets aren't as powerful and you'll need to structure your SA around that. Also, some planes are better at crossing shots vs lead shots, and vice versa which has an impact on how players fly in furballs. Lead shooters are almost always BnZ style planes, which creates a BnZ style atmosphere, which is relatively boring compared to close quarters combat that comes with crossing shots.

All and all, I'd say you are incorrect in your assement since tactics are based on the situation and rules are based on what each plane is capable of per physics but dont take into account people's actions as well as aggressiveness of the fight where a close quarters is much more aggressive and maneuvers must be performed a lot more quickly which makes the furball a lot more fun for most people. 

[LilMak]

Vision, reflexes, and gun range basically remain constant while progressively higher combat speeds effectively degrade all three. Rules, tactics, and even aircraft design fundamentally changed as the speed of aircraft increased.

A engagement between two early biplanes with a combined head on closure rate of around 200mph is a totally different affair than an engagement between two jets closing on each other at well over 2000mph. Assuming 5 miles apart and both pilots see each other at the same instant, the biplanes have 1 minute 30 seconds to react while the jets get 9 seconds.

While an extreme example, it illustrates why the WWII combat sims tend to be more fun. The aircraft aren’t always so fast that it becomes an exercise in extreme precision where a hiccup literally will lose the fight. And they’re not so slow that they’re incapable of eking out an advantage if the pilot can work in four dimensions. However, the faster the aircraft, the more it gets away from the “dogfight” which is actually a no-no in real combat and actually forces pilots to move more towards engaging only when they have a tactical advantage.

While there are some of us who relish protracted combat where you maneuver your machine and jockey for position, there are others who only care about the kill itself. The game caters to the latter these days with the low population and stupid “features” (awacs) that make it even easier for peeps who select the late war monsters to take advantage of the former.

[waystin2]

Yep.  It's still going.   

[IrishOne]

Dorks.