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Offline KroBaar

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« on: March 27, 2002, 10:20:24 AM »
I was thinking of getting myself some rudder pedals (USB) but I'm not really sure what kind to buy.  Any ideas?  

All I have for a current joystick right now is a Logitech WingMan Extreme Digital 3D, using the twist handle for rudder control.

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2002, 10:24:58 AM »
Well if you like to play racing games too, you can kill 2 birds with one stone and get a racing wheel & gas/brake pedal setup. I got a MS FFB Wheel w/gas&brake pedals and X36/X35 for flying. I figured I can use the gas/brake pedals as rudder pedals too by assigning them in AH.

Works great, plus I get more buttons out of it on the driving wheel and the wheel acts great for elev trim in the game Il-2.
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2002, 10:32:42 AM »
I won USB Ch pro pedals at the first AH con and they are simply the best I've ever had.  Toe breaks and rudders all in one :) plus they work as gas pedals with my driving games so I don't even hook up the pedals to my steering wheel.  I've got a saitek x45 for the stick and he CH pro usb pedals, great combo!  They took me a while to get used to but once I did there's no going back.....

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2002, 10:35:24 AM »
I just ordered some SIMPED-vario/pro pedals from here: http://home.t-online.de/home/d-hofmann/homeeng.htm

These have gotten the highest reviews of any pedals I have seen.  They use a magnetic HAL sensor, so no moving electronics.

If you are getting a Cougar, make sure to get a non-USB set.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2002, 10:57:13 AM »
I have been doing flight sims for over 6 years, and I play a lot!
I have burned up 6 throttles and 7 joysticks.  I am still using the same CH PRO rudders that I bought 5 years ago.  I replaced the pots once.

CH PRO rudders are excellent, tried and true.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2002, 06:48:19 PM »
Are they counterbalanced?  That's what I didn't like about trying to use my wheel pedals... that and they're so friggin' close together I was in danger of sterilizing myself.

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2002, 07:41:05 PM »
I've got the usb pro pedals also. When I first got them, I felt they were a little close together but I got used to the spread real quick. They are lightly spring loaded so it's easy to tell where center is.

If you're used to the twisty stick, be prepared for a slight learning curve as you adjust to a more pronounced rudder controlled flight.

If you currently have your stick sitting on the desk top, I advise you to build a short tower to hold your stick between your legs. PCV tubing and end plates work well for this. Secure this to some quarter inch plywood, which also has a platform to hold your pedals in place (they will slide on carpets)(especially during violent evasive manouvers). I used velcro to hold the stick in place on the pedestal, and some small furring strips to locate the pedals.:cool:

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2002, 08:28:49 PM »
been using simped Vario Peds for 2 years, a little on the pricey side, but they are very nice, and well made.

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2002, 09:34:43 PM »
Thanks for all the input guys.  :)

I think I may go with the ch products, Pro Pedals USB, though I'm going to have to wait a few months until I get some more money saved up.  Ya, ya, they aren't really that much, but I'm also fighting a zero-eight on the 4th of April and that is sucking the wallet dry.  :(


Guess I'll have to deal with the twist grip joystick for rudder control for awhile longer.  :p



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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2002, 06:39:05 AM »
I still like the Thurstmasters rudder pedals. They work fine with the CH fighter stick and pro thottle. The CH doesn't feel right to me. Not enough control. But that is me.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2002, 06:51:53 AM »
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Originally posted by eskimo2
I CH PRO rudders are excellent, tried and true.


Agree, excelent rudders.


Eskimo, where did you got to pots for replacement?

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2002, 09:06:37 AM »
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Originally posted by MANDOBLE


Agree, excelent rudders.


Eskimo, where did you got to pots for replacement?



Get parts at:

http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html

CH home page:

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/index.html

Buy a new one for each axis.  It will perform 100% like brand new.
Very easy to install as well.

eskimo
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2002, 05:42:25 PM »
Get online to http://www.mcmastercarr.com

- order a 6 inch piece of steel rod of 3/8" diameter

- order 2 steel ball bearings, with a 3/8" inner diameter, and a 7/8" outer diameter

- Order two locking collars with set screw, and 2 belleville washers with 3/8" Inner Diameter

- Go to Home Depot and buy 3 oak planks that measure 36" long by 3 or 4 inches wide, with a 3/4" thickness

-  Buy a pack of wood screws about 2 inches long, and of about 3/16" shank diameter

-  Buy two tension springs of about 2 inches long



- Buy one 100Kohm Potentiometer with linear taper from Radio Shack



Assemble said components so that you have a teter-bar style set of rudder peddles with the axis of rotation about 45 degrees towards the pilot.

Take your joystick apart, and attach about 4-5 feet of wire onto the pot wires, completely bypassing the pot in the joystick handle.  For the Logitech Wingman Extreme 3d Digital yada yada, they just use Pots!  No optical sensing at all.  They just take the analog signal and convert it to digital, so as long as you have a high quality pot of about the same resistance, it works just fine to wire those in instead of their pots, BUT the center (place of roation where the pot has about 50Kohms of resistance going to the outer leads from the inner ones, has to be centered , or close to it in order for calibration to work properly.  Drill a hole in the side of thte joystick plastic so that the wires can exit, and strain relieve the wires, leaving a loop that attaches to the base.  The other end of the wires is attached to the pot on your set of rudder peddles.   Run it through the calibration routine, and make sure that you have the polarity set up correctly.. (ie left rudder pressure gives a left indication on the program), and you should be golden.  Also, in order to find the "center" for the pot, you must either use a volt meter and measure it directly, or try to find the center of rotation of the pot, and hope it's close enough.  This is fairly difficult to do without a volt meter, and I  ended up just using the volt meter to find the pot's "center" before mounting the pot on the peddle assembly.  

I'm by no means a professional enginer or electronics expert, but by using a little common sense and basic machine design knowledge I ended up with a pair of stictionless and absolutely precise rudder peddles that are more durable than anything on the market, and should never wear out since the bearings are capable of withstanding loads of hundreds of pounds at thousands of RPM.  

BTW.  I made a whole joystick too, which is has no slop, no friction, and doesn't have spikes, and for the electronics I just used a wingman extreme 3d ditital.   It's amazing what you can build if you use a few high quality components like the ball bearings and shafts from McMaster Carr..

Also, the whole rudder peddle assembly took about 8-10 hours to get working, starting with design, fabrication, electronics wiring and trouble shooting, and finally getting it to calibrate properly.    This is pretty fast, but keep in mind, I had just build a joystick from scratch, so the rudder peddles were much simpler in comparison.  

You could build a joystick this way using ANY joystick that uses analog pots.  This would allow you to even make a complete HOTAS setup with the wingman extreme 3d, except you only have 8 buttons and an 8 way hat.  

Other joysticks would yield more combinations..

Anyway.. forgive my terrible writing skills.  I'm a pilot not a technical writer.
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