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Offline -ammo-

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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2002, 12:22:54 PM »
Just my POV. I have enjoyed alot of the setups you guys have ran.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2002, 03:21:32 PM »
not directed at you ammo :)

just i have heard that alot but imho and limited experience has been different.

Of course if  heinkels and do 17 and stukas  were in the last bob set up more then likely the raf would have whooped arse.

I for one think with out the other planes the raf is facing some of the best german ac ju88a4 and 110c4b (db601n) while being limited to mk1s gave the advantage to the lw. That and the fuel mod at 1.5. In tod i believe the fuel mod is higher.

But then again a higher fuel mod would have put more lw in 110s and 88s so damned if ya do damned if ya dont :)

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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2002, 04:40:10 PM »
I don't quite agree with Ammo although I think it would have been better with Heinkel 111 and DO17 and then have the Ju88 A4 as a perk for it did see action during BoB, not as much as those other 2 though. It was a very fast and good bomber and definatly have it's place in a BoB setup.

At the time I think all the RAF had were Mk1's, maybe Spitfire MkII.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2002, 09:06:11 PM »
214,

I'm just a little defensive of our CMs and mapmakers.  They work hard for no pay and are often abused verbally.  I don't want to see any more of them quit.  The CT is where I live and I will always be the first to stick up for our CMs or mapmakers.  I probably over-reacted to your statement.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2002, 03:12:07 AM »
Was a great setup no matter what and I sure hope we get it back SOON! Please :)
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2002, 11:21:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Was a great setup no matter what and I sure hope we get it back SOON! Please :)

Agreed.
I'm wondering how come my own experience was so different.  I think I got to fly RAF only once, because the Luftwaffe was the short side every other time I entered the arena.  I would have expected to find the reverse if the Emil was so dominant.
Frankly, from a simple enjoyment perspective, I would much rather fly a hurri or a spit than the Emil.  So I would appreciate if the next time we see this setup, all you folks joined the National Socialist side so that I could do so.

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2002, 09:59:34 AM »
1 on 1 a hurri will always take a 109, cause the 109 pilot cant resist it.  At least when a reasonable pilot is in the hurri.  

in the last bob I had 9 kills of 109es, 8 of those while flying the hurri 1.  I was killed in the hurri by a 109 3 times.

As long as the 109 wants to come down and play, the hurries better turning ability will get him (within the pilots skill).

The spit behaves terribly.  Only frustration there.

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2002, 10:18:57 AM »
Hurris are a piece of cake IMO, their ability to turn only makes em slightly more difficulkt to get a good B&Z shot at, but they die.
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2002, 02:13:43 AM »
The reason the stats are stacked against the Spit1 in the Spit1 v 109E is me!

I am a terrible fighter pilot, lol. If I had flew the Hurri at all the stats against the Hurri would have been just as bad.

I accept full responsibility for this...

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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2002, 02:45:05 AM »
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the hurri is a good plane. but simple performance wise the 109 has the advantage. But put someone like Asmo in the hurri he kicks arse.

I really dont know but i see more hurris then spits in the last to bobs. Dunno why :confused:

statistically, the HURRI flew more sorties than the spit did. The Spit had a longer flight time than the Hurri did.

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2002, 01:16:02 PM »
stats really dont tell the full story.Although thnx eskimo for doing this :) I like them but i dont try to read too much into them or make statements about aircraft based on them.

for a start if you take a total newbie and stuck him on the raf side he would 9 times out of 10 choose the spit1a, for the sole reason its 'perceived' to be the better aircraft by most.

this means that many spit losses are with inexperienced pilots.True they may then go on to try the hurricane but the point is that these stats dont tell the full story.

I think there is no doubt that if i flew 10 sorties in each aircraft (109,hurri,spit) I would do best in the 109e (because im used to it) then i the spit 1a (because it is undoubtedly more capable than the hurri imo) then the hurri.

As to dogfighting in these aircraft  the spit is the better aircraft but in the 109 you dont dogfight so much as e fight so it comes out on top if you fly it within its strengths.

if you start turning with spits or hurricanes you will eventually lose no doubt about it.

to claim the 109 is the better aircraft but not to stress what reasons but just to claim its all one sided is totally out of order imo.If you fly the spit the way it NEEDS to be flown you will have no more trouble than any other plane.
for instance put a pilot whos used to 109s in a spit and he will do all the wrong things if he flies it the same and its the same the other way around.The skill is knowing when and where to use certain tactics.

its sad to see people claiming the BOB setup is not equal when I would say its THE most equal setup ive ever participated in.(flying for both sides)

if you want uneven then look no further than the present PAC setup! now thats uneven :)

if you fly for RAF in BOB drag the fight low and you will soon gain advantage. if you are allowing 109s to gain your 6 oc  then you are doing something wrong.
what i often see is spit players avoiding the 109's 6oc attack only to take the very first HO shot they can take.This is where they have made the biggest mistake! it only takes a little more effort to turn the HO oppertunity into a spit on 109  6 oc attack but impatience often spoils their chances.The spit can catch the 109 as soon as it has lost even a little of its speed from a diving attack but often they are outgunned in the ho they always seem to try instead of taking a few more turns and easily chasing down the now slower 109s who have attempted turning fights.

please dont bad mouth the setup for BOB. I think its the best AH has to offer myself.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2002, 01:18:30 PM by hazed- »

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2002, 07:30:40 PM »
Nice assesment Hazed.

Thanks.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2002, 03:16:46 PM »
With the amount of crying that I heard in my headphones, it seemed pretty even to me :)  I think in the long run the planes were so close that it was pilot skill that mattered (andhaving three squaddies covering your prettythang) ;)