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Offline weazel

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« on: March 23, 2003, 12:21:27 PM »
America had two political parties?

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"There are still a large number of people in the country who are opposed to this, they realize they cannot stop it, but they look to members of the Democratic Party to be their port in a storm, their place to manifest their dissatisfaction. What happens to them at the moment?"

Peter Jennings to Joe Biden


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"If they're looking to Joe Biden or any Democrats to be a port in a storm about arguing whether or not we should be at war now, they've got the wrong port.

President Bush is the Commander-in-Chief. Once the war has begun it is his responsibility, his job, and I am confident in the ability of our Commander-in-Chief, as well as our military officers, to wage this war in, quote, 'the proper way."

Joe Biden, on his knees before Spurious George

 

Hey Joe, why don't you switch to the Republican Party?
 

When Clinton led America into war the GOP refused to back him, saying "We support the troops but not this president."

Now that the situation is reversed, the Democrats are elbowing each other out of the way in their mad rush to see which senator can give Spurious George a *Monica*.

The Republicans keep saying that if you're anti-war, you're anti-America.

But if that's true, doesn't this mean war *is* America?

Is that what we want for our once-great country?

America is war?  

Bush is so lucky to have Democratic eunuchs "opposing" him.

I'm old enough to remember when America had two political parties.

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2003, 12:28:52 PM »
Ahhh...the good old days, when the Democratic Administration's justice department gave us Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Elian.

Man...good times....good times.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2003, 12:41:25 PM »
Tuesday, March 18 2003 @ 02:37 PM GMT

By Roger H. Lieberman

Decades from now, historians may be debating exactly when America’s age of freedom and prosperity came to a crashing end. There is a very good chance that the wiser among them will write that the end came, not on September 11, 2001 – the day the World Trade Center was destroyed, but on March 17, 2003 – the day George W. Bush set in motion the most unprovoked act of aggression by one sovereign state against another since Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor.

As I write this, the United States is poised to enter uncharted realms of infamy. It’s armies – once revered as saviors of the Free World – will join the list of history’s rampaging hordes. This is a dark day for the human species. How utterly disgusting for Bush and his “allies” to pick St. Patrick’s Day – when we remember the brave freedom struggle of the Irish people – to declare their high-technology pogrom against the Iraqi people. I have been combing my various historical texts in search of an appropriate parallel to the impending carnage in the Middle East, and I have found an exquisitely poignant one – an empire-building megalomaniac who massacred whole cities in his quest for riches and power. His name was Genghis Khan.

In the 13th Century, the horse-riding warriors of the Mongolian steppes struck fear into the hearts of civilized people throughout Eurasia – Russians, Chinese, Indians, Persians, and Arabs. It all began, unassumingly, in the year 1206, when a consortium of Mongol tribes elected a man named Temujin as their “khan” – supreme ruler. He took the name Genghis, which means “universal”, and proceeded to send his armies striking in all directions.

According to contemporary Persian historian Rashid ad-Din, Genghis Khan is said to have extolled conquest with blood-curdling bluntness: “Man’s greatest joy is to chase and defeat his enemy, seize all his possessions, leave his widows weeping, ride his horses, and use the bodies of his women”. (It is not much of an imaginative leap to picture Bush’s neoconservative buddies sharing similar sentiment.) By the time of his death in 1227, Genghis had extended Mongol dominion over northern China and most of Central Asia. He had also earned a reputation for piracy and mass-murder comparable to that of Hitler and Stalin – indeed, his last recorded decree was the genocide of the Tibetan kingdom of Xi Xia.

By the mid-1200s, Genghis Khan’s sons and grandsons had engulfed Russia, Afghanistan, Persia, Korea, and the Caucasus – in all these places, repeating their mentor’s pattern of pillage, slaughter, and ravaging of civil society. The stage was now set for what became, perhaps, the Mongols’ most infamous act. In 1258, an army commanded by Hulagu, enlarged to nearly 150,000 men by conscription from conquered Georgia and Armenia – what today would be called a “coalition of the willing” – set its sights on the Abbasid Caliphate, the splendid Muslim kingdom centered in modern-day Iraq.

When Caliph Mustasim of Baghdad sent an army to confront the Mongols, Hulagu broke a dam on the Tigris River, cutting off the Abbasid retreat, and slew 12,000 men. A terrible siege of Baghdad followed, in which the Mongol army fired palm-tree logs from catapults into the city – foreshadowing the cruise missiles of a later age. But the real nightmare began when the walls were breached. Now in possession of the greatest city in the Arab Middle East, the Mongols preceded to destroy both it and its people. No one knows how many civilians were murdered in cold blood, but, by all accounts, at least several hundred thousand – and perhaps over a million – lay dead in the aftermath of Baghdad’s destruction.

There is very good reason to recall this black period in history at this time. It is not an exaggeration to compare what may very soon take place in modern Iraq to what this land suffered at the hands of the Mongol hordes 750 years ago. For today, in military circles, a very fascist little phrase is being used, in a noxiously casual manner. The phrase is “Shock and Awe”. It is no longer a secret that the US military, as the opening salvo in its rape of Iraq, plans to drop 3000 bombs and missiles on this ancient land.

The immediate result of such an attack has been described as a 21st Century Dresden, referring to the infamous Allied fire-raid in World War II, which killed tens of thousands of German civilians. Never in history has so powerful a nation displayed such groundless, wanton bloodlust as we do now. Never in history has a country with such positive potential as America gone so monstrously astray. The men and women in our government who have brought us to this moment are war criminals, whom I hope will one day stand trial for their actions, as did the Nazi mass-murderers at Nuremburg.

Add to all this madness the equally reprehensible actions of Bush’s “silent partner” in Gulf War II – Zionist Israel. Under the cover of America’s war build-up, Ariel Sharon’s regime has, day by day, shifted his government’s policy toward the Palestinians from vulgar apartheid toward outright ethnic cleansing. Israel’s military thug apparatus mutilates what remains of Palestine – starving its people, destroying their homes, and, now, deliberately killing American peace activists risking their lives to stop them. If a true American hero can be found at this bleak hour, it is surely the martyred Rachel Corrie, of Olympia, Washington - a true young defender of all that America once stood for – life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Let us all try our best to retain some optimism that America will eventually find its rightful destiny as a partner in a world community of nations, dedicated to justice and peace. Surely our country must discard militarism and bigotry sometime.

For all conquests of blood and iron are fleeting, and in vain.

Even the ferocious horsemen from Mongolia, the heirs of Genghis Khan, eventually found their destiny in peace and integration with the cultures they once blighted. In China, Kublai founded the Yuan Dynasty, and greeted Marco Polo on his landmark journey. In India, the Moguls contributed a dazzling chapter to the subcontinent’s venerable history. And in the Middle East, they became just one more ingredient in the rich melting pot of peoples.

Your war will win you nothing lasting, Mr. Bush. What a shame so many will die before that realization finally penetrates your thick, and tragically small, cranium.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2003, 12:58:36 PM »
bla bla bla.........

poor weazel, can't stand that liberals are not in power.

boo hoo :(

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2003, 01:26:18 PM »
A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War


George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Washington, DC


Dear Governor Bush:

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

Yours,

Michael Moore

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2003, 02:15:12 PM »
A letter from Mazz to Weazel.



Please dont reproduce.

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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2003, 02:22:08 PM »
Heh, quoting Michael Moore.  A sure sign of desperation.

Not a single bit of truth in any of that letter.

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2003, 02:25:42 PM »
LOL Weaz.....who's letter is next Alec Baldwin's?

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2003, 02:28:33 PM »
There's nothing wrong with our government uniting in a time of conflict.  I can't imagine why you'd think otherwise.  Don't worry though, as soon as the war is over there will be plenty of the standard back-and-forth as Bush is blamed for anything that went wrong, and he takes credit for anything that went right.


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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2003, 02:31:27 PM »
it's the job of all politicians (not that they do it of course) to do whats best for our country.

wehter you like it or not  a democrats first priority is NOT to opose anything the GOP is for.  

when the democrats and republicans take this 'knee-jerk' stance of imediatly oposing anything the other is for it screws our country.

personally I'd like to see an abolishment of partys and make each candidate come up with his own platform based on issues.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2003, 02:32:07 PM »
What war did clinton lead us into?

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2003, 02:34:44 PM »
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What war did clinton lead us into?

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