Allways LWwhiners? Los llorones de la LW

[garrido]

dont understand, if the 109 and 190 had been as bad as they say to its detractors the war had finished in 1943, were the numerical superiority, the massive bombing of the industrial centers and the industrial cities or not?. And mainly...., the formidable Russian Armed Forces (including his air force) the one that won the war.

Siempre es la LW la que lloriquea, no entiendo, si el 109 y el 190 hubiesen sido tan malos como dicen sus detractores la guerra hubiese acabado en 1943, fue la superioridad numerica, el bombardeo masivo de los centros industriales y de las ciudades industriales o no?, y sobre todo, sobre todo mal que les pese, las formidables fuerzas armadas rusas (incluida su aviacion) la que gano la guerra.

Saludos

Supongo

[MANDOBLE]

No entiendo el objetivo de este post, pollo. En cualquier caso, la arena actual no tiene nada que ver con el papel principal que hizo la LW en la WWII. Defender/Atacar bombarderos  en el frente occidental y apoyo a tierra en el oriental y mediterraneo. Aquí no hay nada de eso, con lo que no esperes sacarle el verdadero partido a ningún avión alemán. Pare  comprobar mejor lo que fue el frente Occidental, te recomiendo una campaña en el European Air War. Intercepciones y defensa de formaciones de bombarderos son las claves principales, si te metes en dogfights fallaras en esos dos objetivos.

Cant understand this post. Anyway, actual arena doesnt reflect the real-life role of LW planes during WWII. Bomber formation attack/defend over the western front and close air support in the russian/mediterranean fronts. So, dont expect to experiment the real effectivity of LW iron, except in scenaries. To better understand what was the role in the wester front I recommend you to play a campaign in the European Air War. Interception and formation defense are primary keys, close fighting is just failing the primary keys.

[funked]

Yeah I agree with Mandoble, that the context has a lot to do with it.

I think most of us could beat a good Fw 190A-5 pilot in a duel if we had a Spitfire V.  But make it 20 Fw 190A-5 and 20 Spitfire V, with icons off, and the situation changes.  

[Karnak]

I personally find the Fw190D-9 and La7 to be the two best, non-perked (both are better than the F4U-1C,but players refused to experiment), fighter in AH.

That's just my opinion, but it is honest.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[R4M]

I disagree, Karnak. Although it is a very very close contest, I still think of the P51D as the best all around unperked plane. It is a tad slower than the d9 at altitudes under 20K feet, but turns better and has way better weapons.

I would say that the La7 is the best unperked arena plane of AH. Over 15000 feet its nothing too worrying   but under 10K this little squeak shines   . All you have to do in this plane is to force the fight to go down, and then smash the bad guy.

[This message has been edited by R4M (edited 05-07-2001).]

[Karnak]

RAM,
That may be, about the P-51.  I very rarely fly it, haven't in quite a few tours.

Of the ones I have flown a bit, the D-9 and La7 are best.  It needed the qualifier.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Kieran]

I have flown both the P-51 and the Fw190D-9, and the D-9 has it all over the 51 in MA play. The guns are better, the speed is as good or better, the acceleration is tons better... 51's never scared me while I was in the D-9. The only way to lose to the 51 is to try a sustained turn with it.

[hazed-]

Id agree the d9 hs the edge on a p51 but only if it engages at an advantage.
The similarities in performance between the p51d and f190d9 are so minor as to make them pretty equal in the MA if you ask me.
The only thing that really has changed for the p51 is that its not so easy to disengage like they ALWAYS used to.
they didnt get the nickname runstangs for nothing!La7 can catch the p51d down low and the D9 can match or better it up to 20k so the options have dropped for the p51 crowd.
About time too i say  
Hoever i still fly the 190a8 and to be honest if im attacked by a p51 its the pilot i worry about not the plane.Theres a lot of bad judgement up there and exploiting mistakes is more important than outperforming the aircraft youre fighting.


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[minus]

lw cant have jfk bulets cant have turbo lasers cant turn cant run cant dive cant roll beter like any other plane  1 or 2 plane can climb ! who a
miracle !
i dont ask for uber LW planes  but u BIG GOD GUYS ON THE LIGHT SIDE IN HOLYWOOD PLANES and WITH JFK BULETS are u find a  REAL CHALANGE TO KILL   LW planes ????


or u prefer soem non dangerous  target

practice ??????????????????

ps: 205 or niki is not a LW plane  

[Tac]

Always remember the principal design PURPOSE behind LW fighters in mid-late war was BOMBER INTERCEPTION, not dogfighting. Allied fighter on the other hand were almost exclusively designed to kill other fighters, with ground attack thrown in as a bonus (and neccessity).

[GRUNHERZ]

I like my 109G6.  

[DB603]

S!

 No problem dispatching enemies in my 109G-2 and 109G-10 or the 190A-5(even 190F-8!)...Just learn the strong points of Your plane and try to match it to be used against the weak points of the opponent.Not simple but very rewarding when success.



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[Kweassa]

 I agree to what other good pilots have stated above.. All planes depicted in our AH is supposedly('cuz I don't know all the details  ) designed for specific roles and situations in context with the Real World War II, not our little three-country slugfest.

 If AH's strategic momentum changes from simple 'airfield-takeover/all-out furball headcount contest' to more complex design resembling real war situations, then in some specific situations LW aircraft would definately shine.. I suspect the battles for airsuperiority would change a bit then.. and I do hope to see more interesting factors - strategical and tactical - depicted in AH.

 But currently, where hot battles and fronts are concentrated under 18,000 ft. , LW aircrafts are bound to be overrun by other aircraft. And the sole reason some pilots claim they have no problem fighting something like Nikis in their 109 at co/lower alt is all owing to their sheer skill   And I respect LW pilots in AH ..

 For an ordinary joe(mediocre/low skill guys who probably consist the most of the pilots flying in both AH AND real-life WW2) like me, taking 109s into those furballs reduces my life expectancy to 11 minutes  

 

[Kieran]

The 109 is a rapier- get in quick, slash, get out of reach, slice back in, dart just out of the way. I've seen it used quite well in furballs, but you'd better know what you are doing.

[Pepe]

Unfortunately, I coud not fly Hostile Shores. I did Afrika Korps, flying for allies. Guess what, LW planes were formidable opponents, and there you knew the meaning of disengage at will.

Flying to live DOES make a difference, as well as a particular mission to accomplish.

The MA is a bad place to evaluate the pros and the cons with regards to real life usage, as it lacks LOTS of the elements of the real warfare.

If you are on a Pony, it is a totally different animal if you are looking for trouble in the MA, hi speed, hi alt cruising, or you are providing cover for a 20k alt buff formation. The first case allows the pony driver to disengage and fite comfortably a, say, 190 A-8 or A-5, even a Dora. The second one does not. If you put that in Real Life terms, were real lives were at risk, you get the point.

Even more, Pony vs. Dora, 1 vs 1 is one fight. Same plane set, 4 vs 4 introduces more variation that changing the planeset. What I think, is more important the tactical usage of the weapon, than the weapon itself. LW planes are wonderful when flying teamwise, and in its own terms. Historically, they usually could dictate them.

Cheers,

Pepe