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Offline Corwin

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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2003, 09:33:10 AM »
Thanks for the response Rip.  I read the info but although the article notes there has been weak growth recently in GDP there isn't much there to get excited about in terms of longer term prospects.  Matter of fact, it cites that personal savings growth is at 0 (albeit up from dis-savings).  Admittedly, I've never been a big fan of supply side economics. The fed has driven interest rates through the floor and will cut again today.  There isn't much more room to use that tool.  An related down side of these rate cuts is rising insurance premiums.  The investment portfolios of the major players aren't affording much return these days to offset underwriting losses.  Their solution is to increase premiums for this and other reasons.  While we are on the subject of rate cuts, the feds decision to cut the capital gains rate on dividends will increase the cost of funding at state and local levels as their tax free status is no longer as attractive comparatively.  Their having to offer higher yields (pay more interest to attract investment) comes at a time when most state and local governments are facing huge deficits.  Like I said, I'm gloomy.


Syzy, if you are willing to write off social security, Medicare and Medicaid, then we've got some really big issues to address.  The need doesn't go away.  Perhaps nationalized healthcare is the solution but I'm not eager to go that route.  The fact remains that the population curve is working against these programs anyway.  Either we fix 'em or trash 'em and then, as good people do, we each assume the financial care of our elderly family members for living and medical expenses.  Now for those who don't have folks to take care of them...well, I guess we'll have to rely on charitable contributions?

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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2003, 09:41:51 AM »
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it still disgusts me that they are using the victims of 9/11 to kick off their convention.


Only in your little mind is that intent a reality

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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2003, 10:08:43 AM »
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Syzy, if you are willing to write off social security, Medicare and Medicaid, then we've got some really big issues to address.  The need doesn't go away.  Perhaps nationalized healthcare is the solution but I'm not eager to go that route.  The fact remains that the population curve is working against these programs anyway.  Either we fix 'em or trash 'em and then, as good people do, we each assume the financial care of our elderly family members for living and medical expenses.  Now for those who don't have folks to take care of them...well, I guess we'll have to rely on charitable contributions?


I never said anything about writing off anythig. I just said entitlement programs are the problem.   So, as far as I can see, you are the one with big issues to address.  So, go ahead and tell us all why entitlements are not the problem.  By the way, type fast because the debt is rising minute by minute!

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm



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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2003, 10:15:11 AM »
No no no!

Bin Laden and Hussein NEVER Existed!

They are simply actors in studio 51, somewhere in Nevada. The entire middle east conflict has been staged by the Jewish owners of the media to put forth their nefarious plan to take over the WORLD!

(I found a picture)

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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2003, 10:17:46 AM »
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No no no!

(I found a picture)


Picture is suspect as it does not show whether or not it has a Yamuka on!

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2003, 10:29:02 AM »
Syzy - don't take it personally.  These are my concerns and have nothing to do with you.  I agree entitlements are a problem but wtf are we going to do about them?  My issue is with our pols running huge deficits when we've got stuff we know we can't pay for.  Couple that with pandering to the AARP by adding a medicare drug benefit and it's only going to hasten the demise.  

I'm frustrated with the way it seems to be going and the fact that giving tax rebates is all the admin is offering in how to make it all go away.

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2003, 10:49:11 AM »
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Only in your little mind is that intent a reality



don't be an idiot Rude, even Bush's strategists say it's intentional... If they aren't denying it, I dunno why you think you need to.


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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2003, 10:51:03 AM »
I share your concerns.  Supposedly tax cuts lead to greater revenue.  I am not sure I buy that, though, but smarter people than me do.    So, we will wait and see.   Meanwhile, the entitlement programs are growing by leaps and bounds.  HHS is the biggest chunk of the federal budget, even over DoD, and almost all untaxed entitlement program giveaways.  And that doens't even count social security which is "off budget", which supposedly mean it has a separate funding source, except that the fudning source for the federal budget and the SSA is the same: working americans paying taxes of some sort.

http://www.federalbudget.com/

I just see us repeating a cycle, ie. the budget problems of the early/mid 1970s took the concerted efforts of both parties as they came to and left power, and even with those efforts starting in earnest with Reagan, didn't get straightened out until the 1990s.  So, it seems we're looking at another 20 year effort and things are going to get worse for a significant while, before they get better.