Author Topic: Yak (Read 1650 times)

1K0N · « **on:** November 05, 2003, 09:41:28 AM »

I never flew the 30mm yak before...I always looked at the ammo load and moved on... Flew it for the first time last night... wow the bang for the buck is outstanding! One 30mm round easily removes the entire tail section of most axis planes..
Its a keeper!!

~~1K0N~~

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #1 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:27:20 AM »

37mm even

1K0N · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:33:11 AM »

Typo! I stand corrected! was distracted!
IKON

LePaul · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2003, 12:16:40 PM »

Its a fun ride, one of my favorites. One ping kills for the most part. Not too bad on GVs either

Soda · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2003, 01:30:22 PM »

A question in regards to the NS-37 on the Yak9T, how effective do people find it against armour? I mean, looking at the stats on that gun, it was a very impressive piece of work with hispano-ish muzzle velocity in a 37mm shell. ScJazz's tests showed it caused massive damage (more than an Ostwind shell or a 40mm Vickers) against buildings. Against tanks though I have real problems getting more than a wound, often disabling the Panzer but not actually killing it. Was it a 37mm HE vs. a 37mm AP? I would have thought the mass and velocity would have made it more deadly to armour than what my experience has tended to be in AH (and I have gotten point blank to shoot with it).

Back on topic though, the Yak9T is under-rated as people think the ballistics are crappy but they aren't. The low rate of fire is difficult and the handling of the 9T seems a little less stable than it's 9U counterpart (probably having that huge gun up front didn't help the balance). Not a bad aircraft but not very common.

AVRO1 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2003, 05:14:37 PM »

The Russians put a few of them in the Il2's wings.

They considered them good enough to destroy tigers.

They did not put them in production Il2 though

Raven101 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2003, 05:30:37 PM »

Il2 was and is one of my favorite tank hunters 2 bombs on wings for instant drop, 4 bombs inside bombbay and 4 rockets for nasty kills!:aok

Rutilant · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2003, 11:36:05 PM »

Don't forget the cannons, eh?

They may not offer outright kills, but they'll disable a panzer with ease, and you can move on to the next and let the poor saps ditch. Tiger turrets are a bit tougher to take out, but if you get a good set of hits inside of D400 on the top-rear of it, it'll go poof. I've also blown up tigers in one pass, probably pure luck, by aiming between the turret and the side of the tank.

A little tip.. If you take the small bombs, salvo them in sets of two.. I also use rockets that way, but it's just a preference.

Rutilant · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:21:04 AM »

Gotta love poppin M16s from 1.1 out that were hopin for an easy kill

Ghosth · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2003, 08:20:03 AM »

My best results with Yak9T is coming in VERY low.

Works best if there is a big GV push on, make passes back & forth at low level.

Any GV you can line up on wait till your about 600 out & give him 3 good hits with the cannon.

If you can hit him 3 in a row in the same spot he's ussually toast.

Tricky, but doable with practise.

I also love it for busting up bomber formations. Only takes one or 2 hits to disable a bomber.

AVRO1 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2003, 10:11:56 AM »

Best thing about the Il2 with 37mm cannons is the ammo load.

50 rounds per gun (directly into the wings)

200KG bombload could be carried as overload.

Each gun weighted 237KG with ammo.

Guns had to be fired at the same time because of the powerfull recoil of the guns.

Soda · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2003, 12:05:56 PM »

I've had prettly limited success with the 9T against Panzers, about the same situation as I have with the Il-2. I get tonnes of wounding shots (engine) but very few out-right kills. From my understanding the NS-37 was a very powerful gun with excellent muzzle velocity so I would have thought it would have been a little more effective than what I've found in AH. I tend to get about the same results with the Il-2 (a lot of damaging shots) but the kills comes when the guy bails or someone else finishes the job.

The 9T is very nice against bombers, Ghosth, I totally agree. All those bomber guys who come in at 500ft off the ground are easy pickings if you can get your 9T in close and open up. Even though 30mm are great against bombers, I'd have to say the 37mm is at least 2-3 times better.

scJazz · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2003, 03:12:45 PM »

Both of the YAK aircraft are a whole lot of fun to fly in any role.

That NS37 gun is an amazing piece of hardware. It has similar effects againts buildings as the M8s 37mm AP round so I would think that it is modeled as an AP round. This might be incorrect but that is the model.

Flying the YAK-9T in the Finn/Rus setups in the CT is an excellent time.

I've never required more than 3 hits to kill any aircraft in AH. Unless the target is as large as a light bomber 1 round and it is over.

The NS37s ballistics match up to the UBS out to nearly 600 yards pretty well. I normally set all YAK guns to D400 and consider shots out to 700.

Soda · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2003, 04:10:39 PM »

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Originally posted by scJazz

That NS37 gun is an amazing piece of hardware. It has similar effects againts buildings as the M8s 37mm AP round so I would think that it is modeled as an AP round. This might be incorrect but that is the model.

I've never required more than 3 hits to kill any aircraft in AH. Unless the target is as large as a light bomber 1 round and it is over.

The NS37s ballistics match up to the UBS out to nearly 600 yards pretty well. I normally set all YAK guns to D400 and consider shots out to 700.

Fighter guns in AH tend to get combined effects of both AP and HE as I think that was a compromise to help simulate varied ammo loads.

My point is, when I compare the NS37 to the Il-2 23mm, I don't get all that much difference in effect. I can disable a Panzer with either at short range but my instant kills shots are pretty rare. Looking at the velocity and mass of the NS37 I would have thought it superior to the 23mm in a pretty clear way. IE, if you could wound Panzers with a 23mm on a decent shot, the NS37 should pop right through under the same conditions.

Most light bombers can't even take 2 hits but ScJazz your calculations showed the 37mm has ~1.5 times the power of a Mk108 30mm and ~ 4 times as much as a hispano. No wonder hits like that hurt.

scJazz · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2003, 08:04:02 AM »

Sorry about hijacking this thread...

There is no doubt in my mind that AC guns are not modeled correctly in dealing with armored vehicles. Soda your comments regarding the IL2 23mm and the NS37 are right on target. It is fairly easy to damage GVs with either gun. Killing a GV with one is another matter entirely. I've found and I'd think you would agree that all AC mounted guns (not counting .30s) have a reasonable chance of damaging a GV as long as the angle of attack is right. Coming in high and to the rear or sides is about the only necessary strategy when dealing with GVs in a strafing run. The fact that the ammo belts for ACs are modeled in a vague "average" way combined with the damage resistance model of GVs being at least odd makes for very inconsistent results.