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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2003, 03:17:16 PM »
What should i say to offend allot of folks here today? hint please ! :D

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« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2003, 03:21:32 PM »
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What should i say to offend allot of folks here today? hint please ! :D


Slam the Civil Rights bill that Johnson signed (The only good thing he did in office), that will piss 99.99 % of US voters off.

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« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2003, 03:30:15 PM »
No fun Rip...

GO LIBERALS, Bush off you clueless dolts...Saddam has a cool haircut!



how is that one Rip?

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« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2003, 06:54:12 PM »
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The entire tone of the political rhetoric in this Country was set during the 8 year Republican attack on Bill Clinton.


WHAT?!

Your saying that there was no political rhetoric BEFORE Clinton?!

AND the whole Impeachment deal was only about a blowjob?!

GAWD! How delusional of you.
I have been reborn a new man!

Notice I never said a better man.

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« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2003, 07:15:04 PM »
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Liberals want to deregulate your personal life and regulate business.


Really? Why do I have to wear a seatbelt then? Why do people have to strap their babies into booster seats until age 4? Why do some states have mandatory helmet laws? Why are there smoking bans in public buildings? Whose idea was it to have city-wide smoking bans in privately-owned restaurants and bars?

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« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2003, 07:34:26 PM »
"Liberal" tends to be a dirty word amongst most of the US population because it can also be spelled "Hypocrite."

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« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2003, 08:34:17 PM »
I suspect the liberals think that way about the conservatives too.

So....no solution there.

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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2003, 08:24:47 AM »
thanks revells saved me the time of reversing the sentence.


most of the us population is democratic handsomehunk.

remember last pres election 410,000 more libs than republicans voted and still lost, also please tell me dems are more likely to vote. the party loves you and will take care of you keep spouting crap the party elete will give you power and position.


fool.

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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2003, 08:54:00 AM »
yep... disdain for anyone who is not as smart or who is religous or even.... lives in a trailer... liberals love humanity but hate people.

kieran and hooligan summed it up.   most of the "for your own good cause you will hurt yourself" laws are liberal ones but not all... the conservatives get in a few too.

libertarian is the only sensible way to be but it takes too much courage for most.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2003, 12:56:00 PM »
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yep... disdain for anyone who is not as smart or who is religous or even.... lives in a trailer... liberals love humanity but hate people.

kieran and hooligan summed it up.   most of the "for your own good cause you will hurt yourself" laws are liberal ones but not all... the conservatives get in a few too.

libertarian is the only sensible way to be but it takes too much courage for most.
lazs


Interesting and illuminating thread. I had considered starting one similar as the dictionary definitions did not match the perceptions of the conservatives on this board.

That comment of Lazs is quite true. 'liberals love humanity but hate people'. I saw a similar comment in a newspaper here in Dublin where the columnist said the 'conservatives hate liberals but that's OK as liberals hate themselves'.  

He went on to say that the neo conservatives in America nowdays are in fact closer to the radical liberals because they want to change things, ie depose dictators, reform laws etc. That's liberal territory. He pointed out that the real conservative doesn't want to change anything just sit tight and hold what they have.

The problem with being a true conservative or liberal is that anyone to the left or right of you, respectively is either a commie or a fascist.

The truth is that the best approach is the centrist. I'm a centrist so I take bits of conservativism and bits of liberalism and make up my own mind. I suspect most of us here exist somewhat in the middle. The west in general including America is ruled by the moderates and long may it continue. Bush is in fact more of a moderate than a conservative and despite popular caricuture is in fact a shrewd and intelligent man who avoids one extreme or another.  He knows as most of us do that any wide drift to the right or left would rapidly become unpopular with the American people and is to be avoided. Clinton knew this too as did most American presidents.

So up with the CENTRISTS and down with the liberal/conservative alliance. ;)
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« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2003, 01:21:06 PM »
cpx...  It is funny about hate and liberalism... liberals invented "hate" crimes and consider free speech to be a hinderance to their agenda... they invented politicaly correct speech and threw out free speech in the name of their agenda...  they threw out rights in the name of their agenda... defending yourself became a "privilage" and not a right.

What is funny is that I, the conservative who is suppossed to "hate".... I am the one who trusts my neighbor but distrusts large government... the so called lovers of humanity... the liberals... they don't trust their neighbors and can't embrace orwells 1984 soon enough...

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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2003, 01:30:12 PM »
I agree almost entirely with cpxxxx's post.

The reality of the situation is that we all know that 'freedom for all' (ie. a society without law) is just a pipe dream because the moment that happens, someone abuses their freedom and takes it away from others.

That's just human nature.

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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2003, 01:56:10 PM »
I am not a centrest... I am at most... at libertarian... I believe that the absolute minimum amount of government control and power is just a little too much.    
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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2003, 02:03:44 PM »
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thanks revells saved me the time of reversing the sentence.


most of the us population is democratic handsomehunk.

remember last pres election 410,000 more libs than republicans voted and still lost, also please tell me dems are more likely to vote. the party loves you and will take care of you keep spouting crap the party elete will give you power and position.


fool.


Speak English.

Lazs hit it pretty well as far as Im concerned - how can a Liberal - the champian of humanity - call someone else a fool?

Which face am I talking to here?

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« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2003, 02:46:47 PM »
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I am not a centrest... I am at most... at libertarian... I believe that the absolute minimum amount of government control and power is just a little too much.    
lazs


Maybe, but I think in that society you would need your guns. That political philsophy is actually anarchy in it's pure form. LOL!

To quote one of their crazy websites
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Thus anarchy, anarchism, anarchist, a.s.o., means coordination on equal footing, without superiors and subordinates, i.e. horizontal organization and co-operation without coercion. [/B]


lazs2 the Anarchist or more accurately an individualist anarchist (or "anarcho-capitalist) to differentiate him from bomb-throwing radicals and left-wing, anti-property anarchists.  Would that be a fair description?

For most of human existence, 'government' meant whatever local warlord held sway in your locality.  He in turn paid homage to the warlord in your province etc etc. If you are that warlord or one of his cronies you are a conservative seeking to  maintain the status quo as it were.  Democracy doesn't come into it.  

As someone once said 'The only rights and freedoms you have are those others allow you to have'.  Those others may be the government or whoever has the biggest stick locally.

Saddam Hussein was a good example of warlordism gone mad.