In the end.. it all boils down to this..

[K West]

Rotor, the lame auto-retracting flaps have been brought up already. Not in this specific topic perhaps but it is in one or two of the radar discussions. As well as past topics dealing with things not realistic in AH going back well over two years. Or were you hoping to spring something on us no one has talked about before? If so, good luck  

 Westy

[NUTTZ]

one of my first nights in AH, the FM was so hard, i gunned a B-17 for one of my squadies. MAN, you should of heard RW, I think i broke everyones eardrums that was on the channel.

I'll always remember that day, WHAT A BLAST!!!

NUTTZ
(oh, how this "game" has progressed)

[Vulcan]

All I can recall is someone in the 56th (I think its Ammo) screams like a girl  A LOT on RW - found that out in Hostile Shores.

[Toad]

Laz, what's the solution?

Should HTC not model B&Z aircraft at all?

Should all B&Z aircraft have high perk cost? (Tough, because you CAN B&Z in most of the planeset.   )

Should the FM artificially limit airspeed in a dive to 250kts?

Should we have segregated arenas where ONLY turnfighters can play and other arenas where ONLY B&Z aircraft can play? (Again, how will you divide the WW2 planeset?)

Should the system monitor for B&Z like behavior and then lock the controls like the stick-stirring watchdog?

Bottom line, you are talking once again of limiting the --> other guy <-- with respect to his playing options.

Hasn't ever proved to be a very popular position... or one that is ever implemented.

Limit the "other guy" ...  reminds me of some old threads on this board. I know you don't want to group yourself with THOSE guys.  

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Vulcan:
All I can recall is someone in the 56th (I think its Ammo) screams like a girl  A LOT on RW - found that out in Hostile Shores.

yea, kiss my lilly white ....

[Tac]

More like:

*flight of 3 P38's at 24k over A5*

*1* "Hey guys, theres a furball down there, should we go down?"

*2* "nah, I dont want to end up fighting spits and n1ks and la7's"

*3* "I dunno"

--flight does several circles looking for hi cons, shoots down 1 lone, high alt enemy plane---

*1* "Poor guy"
*2* "Yeah, wonder what's he's doing up here without a wingman"
*3* "I nailed his wingman"
*1* "Really? WTG man, I didnt see him"

-- CH2: hey lazs is at A5 in an La7!--

*3* "Lets get down there and nail him heehee"
*1* "did he say he's in La7? text buffer scrolled up fast"
*2* "yeah, la7"

---Sortie ends with the P-38's getting low and chewed up by the endless hordes of n1ks, spits and la7's. This "Lazs" phenomenon was not encountered--

*2* "farg it! That toejamtyfire HO'd me"
*3* "I saw that from my chute. is that n1k still trying to strafe my silkride?"
*1* "where the fek is lazs? Im shooting every la7 i see and I still havent gotten him"


     

[Rotorian]

Originally posted by O'Westy:
Or were you hoping to spring something on us no one has talked about before?
 Westy

Wasnt hoping to spring nothing on noone you all exulted all knowing.

[iculus]

Wow....your own thread....

[airspro]

I thought lazs post was funny .

I see three differant games , low , high and strat .

Right now trying the "low" game again , with alittle strat here and there , pretty much fun with all the new players .

P51B or La7

take care
spro

[lazs1]

toad... no solution realy except to allow both types of gameplay.  don't let things get too unbalanced EITHER way.   The guys who like action will not put up with blind and spread out fights it just doesn't work for em.

The real dilema it seems is convincing the sky accountants that giving the manly furballers opportunity to do so does not mean... "well, all you have to do is get organized, all agree on a spot and all you furballers fly a couple of sectors and meet in the middle.. What do you need radar or fields with fighter hangers or cv's for?"  The people that wouldn't know a furball if it fell on em are telling furballers that they have "no problem" finding one.

The sky accountants seem to feel that if you give people the opportunity to furball then no one (or no one will pay attention to) will play 'capture the flag'.  

Idealy, a furball is between fields.   the best ones anyway.   Short flights to the middle... Able to keep flighty, impatient squaddies toghether with something besides the vague hope that if you circle around long enough doing nothing you may get a shot at bouncing poor ol fat, bald, harmless lazs.

In between fields allows some altitude spread and style changes... Yes, you can boom and zoom in any plane but ya gotta be skilled when ya don't go in with 100 mph in the bank.  A cv battle is allways a kick.

BTW... How can a map be "nothing but furballs"?  If you have furballs at say... what?  6 fields?  The entire rest of the map is ripe for milkrunners and timid sky accountants.  
lazs

[K West]

You must have missed the   in the post Rotor.

 In the meantime you can take all the pot shots at me that you want for being a 'know it all' here. Far from it. Is my crime simply having been a community participant here for more than two years and also being able to remember most of the posted issues have been as to what people have wanted fixed or added in AH.  

 Remember these?  Bombs no longer sink islands! Or when will the P-47 FM be fixed?

oh!

      <---- Can't forget that even though it doesn't get acknowleged.

  Westy

[Toad]

Originally posted by lazs1:
toad... no solution realy except to allow both types of gameplay.  don't let things get too unbalanced EITHER way

Maybe I missed something, but that's about the way it seems to me right now. Pretty well balanced. You can go to the MA and do what you like, plenty of action available to all "disicplines".

Maybe those HTC folks know what they're doing?

 

Carry on, all.

[lazs1]

Actually toad... I agree.  Things are more balanced now thanthey ever have been.  Depends on the map of course but.... the really boring maps seem to get wiped out quickly.

I don't see how having fields 10% closer would hurt the sky accountants tho or... having tougher cv's would do anything but help gameplay... certainly it would help the manly furballers and not hamper milkrunning, wussy sky accountants and bounty hunters persecuting poor ol fat, bald, toothless and harmless lazs... They could fly around doing nothing or catching up on gossip just as allways.
lazs

[Zigrat]

lazs theres a big difference in furballs.

retards like you like furballs in the main arena. they are boring and stupid.

the only entertaining types of furballs are wild wednesday, when there is a 1 life furball. i will agree with you that that type of furball is a blast. that type of furball takes flying skill, and from what i have seen the better pilots consistently win in that type of environment. i have been bested in wild wednesday but it was always by a pilot who outflew me. guys like dmf, citabria, and moose nailed me in wild wednesday and they all deserved the kills, they were earned.

furballs with respanw is idiotic and senseless. oops i killed you 1 minute ago but now youre back on my 6. thats gay and why furballs suck. he didnt outfly me he just respawned and gangbanged me.

if you want to fly in real furballs, show up on wednesday nights.

i guess its like this. i never liked quake, but counterstrike was fun. i am a strong believer that in games, you should get one life per frame, and respawning is just a bad idea.

[lazs1]

zig.. while a wild wednesday sorta thing would be limited fun (no squdies or RW)till ya got killed but... what do you do then?   Do you wait a week for another flight sim experiance?   run em constantly.. what, fly every couple of hours?
not really interested in that so... for me, the MA furball and allmost constant action is the best bet.  

Plus...Most people aren't as hung up on "who is best" as you are.   I believe that most would just like to have fun.   And, besides, if u kill someone and then have em on your 6, 1 minute later then you either suck or you are doing furballs wrong.  Certainly it isn't the type of furball I have just described.

I would also like to say that the best part for me is if I have one or more squaddies in the fur with me.  I am very unskilled and need the help as well as the companionship I so desperately crave.   How can waiting in the tower for "one life" to begin compare to that?
lazs