Author Topic: Marshall Plan - hype or not? (Read 2738 times)

miko2d · « **on:** November 19, 2003, 01:49:37 PM »

With all that Marshall Plan being thrown around, I just had to see what the heck it was all about. Sure - it was mostly hype.

Germany has to thank the Marshall Plan for a total of almost $1.4 billion received in aid. In addition, while the German government was receiving help from the Marshall Plan, it was still obliged to make reparations and restitution payments that amounted to well over half the funds received from the United States from the Marshall Plan. ( $1.4 billion - a measly $12.4 billion in 2002 money of which over half was paid right back?)
France received a grant of over $2.7 billion from the Marshall Plan - nearly twice as much as Germany - but it still took France 30 years to reach the economic level Germany arrived at within less then 15 years

When looking at these statistics and the fact that it took Germany only half as long as France to reach a comparable economic level of develop, we must ask ourselves what caused the German "economic miracle". It is clear that the Marshall plan was not the major contributor to Germany's rapid economic growth.

miko

john9001 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:43:01 PM »

commie revisionest, next you will be telling us stalin was great, or did you already say that?

Dago · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:46:13 PM »

go the fk back to russia.

The Marshall Plan was amazing, and the results were evident.

dago

gofaster · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:46:49 PM »

Sometimes it helps to have key industrial centers bombed to the ground. Germany got new factories with new tooling.

France didn't.

Tumor · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:49:22 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
commie revisionest, next you will be telling us stalin was great, or did you already say that?

LOL!!! You've been so revised, you believe revision is history!! hahahahahaha

Boroda · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:42:19 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
commie revisionest, next you will be telling us stalin was great, or did you already say that?

No, it could be me.

"Commie revisionist" is an oxymoron in a world of twisted propaganda you Western people enjoy. Thanks Miko for blowing up another bubble of the "popular history" illusions.

US never needed competition from Europe, so all that "american assistance" is another propaganda hypocricy.

Next time I hope some of you will try reading something about true post-war European politics instead of watching what you call "history channel".

Boroda · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:44:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
go the fk back to russia.

The Marshall Plan was amazing, and the results were evident.

1) Miko is from the Ukraine.

2) Yes, the results were evident, especially for American business who didn't suck enough money from Europe during the War.

Dago · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:46:03 PM »

Gees Boroda, that was an amazing reply, amazing stupid anyway.

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1) Miko is from the Ukraine.

Same thing.

dago

midnight Target · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:48:40 PM »

Not everyone gets their news from "the History Channel" Boroda. Your version is available here too.

Here is the bottom line....

1. After the War people were starving
2. Starving people don't give a crap about democracy, they want to eat.
3. The Marshall Plan recognized this fact and fed them.

End of story.

crabofix · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2003, 03:57:43 PM »

The Marshal paln had great succes and was a diffrent move to the American stand after the WW1.

Making Germany pay for "War damage" and taken away thier ability to defend themselfs, banned way for the WWII.
Vengance for the humiliation of "Versille-treaty" was supported all over, not only by "nazis".
US was one of the countries that Pushed "Versille-treaty" through and was the loudest mouth, most unforgiven one in the crowd.

Marshalplan was the total oposite. They had learned the leason.

Now they need to learn from even resant lessons and leave Iraq, while theres still possible to form a "democratic" goverment.

Boroda · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2003, 04:10:55 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
1. After the War people were starving
2. Starving people don't give a crap about democracy, they want to eat.
3. The Marshall Plan recognized this fact and fed them.

Look at the numbers Miko gave, and you'll see that "democracy" is the last thing you goverment and business thinks about. I mean democracy in it's original Greek meaning, not your propaganda newspeak meanig "falling under American political and economical control".

Marshall plan = propaganda slogan for people starved by reparations.

midnight Target · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2003, 04:26:06 PM »

By your reasoning communism (with a small 'c') never existed in the Soviet Union either.

I didn't think you were trite enough to argue semantics.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2003, 04:27:07 PM »

Yep and the Marshall Plan was one of the key factors that strengthened the dictatorship of Franco in Spain.

The US could have helped Spain by supporting a democratic government, but they said: "hey, if a dictator is against communism, he's our friend!".

Oh, many people died during Franco's dictatorship and many, many civil liberties were lost here. Kudos to the Marshall Plan.

Daniel

straffo · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2003, 04:33:49 PM »

^^^^ A commie ! burn him

I've not an answer to you miko just an indication :
Where was located French tooling in 1945 ?

CyranoAH · « **Reply #14 on:** November 19, 2003, 04:41:58 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
^^^^ A commie ! burn him

Actually, I'm tastier "au naturel"

Daniel