Plane set gripes for BoF

[Slash27]

The only gripe I have with this planeset is that we never get to do the middle of the road sets.   Well vote The Bug "dikwad". Maybe he'll be receptive to it.

[Squirrel]

Originally posted by Oldman731
Me, too.  This is a great plane set, except for those poor people who feel they must fly the P40B iron dog.

Hey, I resemble that remark   .. but wasnt the p39 the iron-dog and  the p40 the lead-sled?
Sqrl

[snocone]

I hate the c47 in here. last time I looked the axis had about 10 bases left out of alot of bases on this very large map. Hate the milkers. I had to fly the MA because the arena was so porked. I did kick alot of n00b arse there though. Just goes to show how much the ct makes you a better pilot. I only suck marginally now!

[Batz]

Maybe you guys to email or call Pyro and request he put a pop up poll when entering the ct asking who prefers base capture.

You could do an unofficial poll on the forum but some folks dont read the forum.

fyi the d25 a8 and f8 are not "middle" of the road planesets they are late war.

The ju88 and 110 should be restricted or removed fromt his setup.

Same with the Boston and spit 1.

[Dennis]

Originally posted by Slash27
 Then "WHY" are you posting? The reason I started this thread is because we were highjacking another thread to gripe about the plane set.

Thanks for the answer.  I asked the dreaded "w" question because I wondered why you wanted to start another gripefest.  We seem to have plenty without solicitation.

I don't read every thread.  Might have missed the hijacked one.  Sorry.

Anyway.  No gripes here about the planeset.  Axis deserves a crutch ride or two every once in a while.
And I like the Hurricane.

Splash1

[brady]

The P38L we have is also a Late war plane.

[LtMagee]

I really like this set up.

The P-40B is well modeled for the Hawk 75A-3.  With six guns and a top speed at 10,000 feet of about 325mph.

The 110 is a bit fast but thats ok. The 109 may be porked but funny, most all of my kills in the P-40 are 110s. Most of my deaths have been from 109s or M3s..lol (BigMax)

Contrary to storchs remarks, I have seen 110s landing 6 to 8 kill sorties. Very few allies are landing kills, even in the Hurrican.

I have a very hard time getting on a 109s six, a 110 is a slight bit better chance of killing 1 vs 1.....however, once in a fight, there is no going home for a P-40 unless the axis pilots give up and run.

[Slash27]

Brady

  How about restricting the 110 or unrestricting the Spit? The 110 may as well be a La7 in here.

[brady]

While I agree that you are a skilled Player, and that you (slash) can indead land good kill streaks, I have sean the same kinda streaks landed in evey fighter in the setup, I have no plans at present to change the set up.

[tzr]

Originally posted by brady
While I agree that you are a skilled Player, and that you (slash) can indead land good kill streaks, I have sean the same kinda streaks landed in evey fighter in the setup, I have no plans at present to change the set up.

SO he leaves the 110 in    Ok by me.......
I wonder if in the next PTO late war set up the allies will get the C-Hog.......am-5vs Chog .....It would be the same as P-40 vs 110

will have to wait and see:rolleyes:

[Karnak]

Originally posted by scJazz
Spit V
Seafire
Hurri IIc
P38
P47D-25

AGAINST

190A5
190A8
190F8
109G6
109G2
109F4
110G2

That's midwar?

Spit V - 1941
Seafire - 1942
Hurri IIc - 1941
P38L - 1944
P47D-25 - 1944

AGAINST

190A5 - 1943
190A8 - 1944
190F8 - 1944
109G6 - 1943
109G2 - 1942
109F4 - 1941
110G2 - 1943


That is all over the place, certainly not mid war.  The poor Brits haven't even really got anything post Pearl Harbor (concidering that the Seafire is a lashed up Spitfire V).

The problem with doing mid war Europe is, bluntly, that there are no mid war American aircraft for the European Theater.  Mid war setups therefore really end up being a 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX against a 1943 Fw190A-5 with an early 1944 P-47D-11 (minus paddle bladed prop) for the Americans as a consolation prize.

What we need for 1942/1943 Europe:

P-38F
P-38H
P-47D-5 (give the P-47D-11 its paddle bladed prop)
B-17E or F
B-25C

Then we could have a nice 1942 setup:

Boston Mk III
Hurricane Mk IIc
Lancaster Mk III (perked)
Spitfire Mk Vb

B-17E (perked)
B-25C
P-38F
P-40E

vs.

Bf109F-4
Bf-109G-2
Fw190A-5
Ju88A-4


Or a nice 1943 setup:

Boston Mk III
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Spitfire Mk IX

B-17E
B-26B
P-38H
P-47D-5

vs.

Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2
Bf109G-6
Bf110G-2
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Ju88A-4


Yes, there are still fudges in both of those, but they don't include 1944 aircraft in 1942 setups.

[TheBug]

Just a quick look at stats 11pm Tues:


P40 Kills= 102  losses=135

Hurri Kills=183 losses=202

Spit kills=28 losses=11

109 kills = 161 losses=150

110 kills=236 losses=140  

Allies Kill to loss ratio for all fighter planes is .89

LW ratio is 1.37

Spitfire ratio is 2.54(restricted plane)

110 ratio is 1.69

What are the magic numbers Brady uses as his ingenious "play-balance".  Is there any method to his madness?  Do these stats all fall within what he considers good play balance?? Stay tuned....


110c4 in AH does not belong in any 1940 BoF setup, period. Take the Spit with it too. Maybe restrict both for any BoB setups.

Hurri  K/L ratio is  .91
109 K/L ratio is    1.07

Now that's play balance to me


Sorry those numbers just for two days, tour just reset

But from last tour 109e 377 kills of Hurri vs 396 109e kills by Hurri

110c 423 kills of Hurri       Hurri 292 kills of 110

110 vs p40  ya get 161/121

So even though they were only two days of stats they still hold water


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[Batz]

That's midwar?

Spit V - 1941
Seafire - 1942
Hurri IIc - 1941
P38L - 1944
P47D-25 - 1944

AGAINST

190A5 - 1943
190A8 - 1944
190F8 - 1944
109G6 - 1943
109G2 - 1942
109F4 - 1941
110G2 - 1943


That is all over the place, certainly not mid war. The poor Brits haven't even really got anything post Pearl Harbor (concidering that the Seafire is a lashed up Spitfire V).

The problem with doing mid war Europe is, bluntly, that there are no mid war American aircraft for the European Theater. Mid war setups therefore really end up being a 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX against a 1943 Fw190A-5 with an early 1944 P-47D-11 (minus paddle bladed prop) for the Americans as a consolation prize.

What we need for 1942/1943 Europe:

P-38F
P-38H
P-47D-5 (give the P-47D-11 its paddle bladed prop)
B-17E or F
B-25C

Then we could have a nice 1942 setup:

Boston Mk III
Hurricane Mk IIc
Lancaster Mk III (perked)
Spitfire Mk Vb

B-17E (perked)
B-25C
P-38F
P-40E

vs.

Bf109F-4
Bf-109G-2
Fw190A-5
Ju88A-4


Or a nice 1943 setup:

Boston Mk III
Lancaster Mk III
Mosquito Mk VI
Spitfire Mk IX

B-17E
B-26B
P-38H
P-47D-5

vs.

Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2
Bf109G-6
Bf110G-2
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Fw190F-8
Ju88A-4


Yes, there are still fudges in both of those, but they don't include 1944 aircraft in 1942 setups.

The a8 and f8 arent 44 aircraft?

Seriously the a5 is better then both of those and can stand in for the a6.

The d11 is a fine sub for a d5. I wish we had a C. The p38 OTOH needs more variants. Theres not much you can do with a p38l.

Its gonna be awhile before ya get more planes in AH.

[Slash27]

While I agree that you are a skilled Player, and that you (slash) can indead land good kill streaks, I have sean the same kinda streaks landed in evey fighter in the setup, I have no plans at present to change the set up.

Thanks for the compliment, but......  I have seen no one land 5,6,and 7 kill sorties in any Allied rides. I have landed several multiple kill sorties ( most over 4) and have not been shot down once in the 110. Ive only died twice due to coillisions in this set up. This does not reflect superior talent on my part, but it does show inbalance. But leave it in, Ill still fly it.

[LtMagee]

I wonder if in the next PTO late war set up the allies will get the C-Hog.......am-5vs Chog .....It would be the same as P-40 vs 110

THIS IS THE QUOTE I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR. THANKS TZR!
LETS ROCK, F4F, F4U, F6F vs A6M2, A6M5...typical PTO BATTLES !!!