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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2003, 04:47:47 AM »
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I think Hortlund is Jewish. That would explain a lot.


LOL now that quote doesnt seem racist at all now does it...

Alas, I'm not jewish, so back to the drawing board. I am half German though.
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Offline Dowding

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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2003, 04:49:42 AM »
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Your reaction would be the same no matter what kind of source I presented. Why dont you put your head back into the sand little tardling, maybe the world feels like a safer place for you then.


Personal attacks are the norm with you. It's so satisfying to get you to resort to them.

It's one source. ONE. UNO. EIN. Did you ever do history at school? Did you ever learn the definition of the word corroboration? Do you know the difference between Primary, Secondary and Tertiary sources? Schoolkids could point out the holes in your argument here.

There are websites on the net that insist cold fusion was a success. Guess what? When people tried to corroborate they couldn't. Hence it's a debunked theory. Debunked - now there is a good word...

DEBKA in my eyes is little better than that Russian website some posted over here during the hostilities. Everything on it should be taken with a healthy dose of NaCl.

Do they have salt in Sweden?
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Offline Manedew

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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2003, 04:53:39 AM »
lol gsholz


 seems to fit ....

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-paley14dec14,0,2498760.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions


I've seen something like that thought process  ..... boggles my mind ... just seems stupid to me
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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2003, 09:14:49 AM »
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Latest reports have the Iraqi WMD's in Syria.



Let me see if I understand the sequence of events.

1. Iraq invades Kuwait.
2. The U.S. coalition defeats Iraq and drives it from Kuwait.
3. The U.S. enforces sanctions and controls the air space above Iraq for the next decade.
4. Iraq develops WMD.
5. 911
6. Bush telegraphs the punch that we're comin'.
7. Iraq gives the weapons away practically on the eve of the invasion.


Oh yeah... that makes sense.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2003, 09:16:25 AM »
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Oh yeah... that makes sense.


Well, your time frame is totally screwed up anyway, no wonder you dont think it makes sense.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2003, 09:22:46 AM »
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Well, your time frame is totally screwed up anyway, no wonder you dont think it makes sense.



That was enlightening. Thanks! :aok
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2003, 09:24:00 AM »
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Nothing wrong with being Jewish Hortlund ... Half German huh? Well, that explains a lot too. ;)


WHAT?  :D

@Hortlund: ROTFL
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2003, 09:24:42 AM »
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If you don't stand up and fight for your own freedom you're not worthy of freedom.  


This for me, was the "true lesson" of VietNam. I think we learned it fairly well, but not completely.

I don't think "free the Iraqis" was the cause of this conflict, however.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2003, 09:51:28 AM »
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Let me see if I understand the sequence of events.

1. Iraq invades Kuwait.
2. The U.S. coalition defeats Iraq and drives it from Kuwait.
3. The U.S. enforces sanctions and controls the air space above Iraq for the next decade.
4. Iraq develops WMD.
5. 911
6. Bush telegraphs the punch that we're comin'.
7. Iraq gives the weapons away practically on the eve of the invasion.


Oh yeah... that makes sense.


Here:

1. Iraq develops WMD.
2. Iraq invades Kuwait.
3. The U.S. coalition defeats Iraq and drives it from Kuwait.
4. The U.S. enforces sanctions and controls the air space above Iraq for the next decade.
5. UN passes a dozen resolutions demanding that Iraq surrender WMD's, Iraq stalls, UN puts Iraq under embargo.
6. Time passes. France calls for an end of the embargo
7. 9-11
8. Bush threatens Iraq to comply with UN resolutions "or else".
9. Iraq fails to comply with UN resolutions
10. France whines
11. Invasion
12. WMD's moved to Syria
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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2003, 09:53:52 AM »
That guy forgets who was siding with Saddam for a good time until the Kuwait invasion.
35 years.. wonder how many years of that Saddam was able to operate under the approval of US goverment.. not to mention how many people he was able to gas to death, since US figured to use it's veto right at UN to help Saddam over the WMD accusation.

Perhaps US gov. this time is thinking twice who they're putting in charge of Iraq, rather than supporting some tyrant and then after couple decades realise hes a bad guy.
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Offline slimm50

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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2003, 10:01:26 AM »
From the keyboard of GScholz:
"Before 1991 the Iraqis were living a pretty good life, and although their leader was a brutal one, he was only brutal to those that opposed him. Most people didn't. Most people lived a good life and didn't CARE what happened to those with enough backbone to protest."

Heheheh...I'd like you to stand in front of an average crowd in Bahgdad today and spout those words, and see how they react. I bet you'd not get ten paces before they let you know just how "happy" they were then. Especially if there were any in the crowd who's wives, or daughters had been guests of the rape rooms.
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2003, 10:02:22 AM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Here:

1. Iraq develops WMD.
2. Iraq invades Kuwait.
3. The U.S. coalition defeats Iraq and drives it from Kuwait.
4. The U.S. enforces sanctions and controls the air space above Iraq for the next decade.
5. UN passes a dozen resolutions demanding that Iraq surrender WMD's, Iraq stalls, UN puts Iraq under embargo.
6. Time passes. France calls for an end of the embargo
7. 9-11
8. Bush threatens Iraq to comply with UN resolutions "or else".
9. Iraq fails to comply with UN resolutions
10. France whines
11. Invasion
12. WMD's moved to Syria


Assuming that the WMD existed, what do you think could motivate the Iraqi to leave them unused?
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2003, 10:13:35 AM »
No real discussion is done here very long before name calling and hatred rein supreme, to bad there is a lot of good points and intelligent folks here.

I wonder if we were in a room talking how fast the personalizing and immaturity would clear the room.


I hate no one, agree with some, and listen to all that earn it, ignore those that stoop low.

Regards,
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2003, 10:17:06 AM »
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Assuming that the WMD existed, what do you think could motivate the Iraqi to leave them unused?


*shrug* impossible to say really. He had no qualms about using those WMD's against his enemies (Iran) or his own people (Kurds) though. Maybe that could be taken as an indication on his motivation to leave them unused.

I dont think the combination insane dictator + wmd is a good one. Therefore Im glad Saddam is gone.

Incidentally I dont think the combination fundamental moslem nation + wmd is a good one either, which is why Im hoping that the US or Israel will take out that Iranian nuclear reactor.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2003, 10:17:45 AM »
Not sure Sand, maybe because Saddam was the type to hide in a hole and announce he was "The President of Iraq" and was so dillusional then said "I want to negotiate" while being captured by 600 US troops.

Funny how you put so much faith in how he should act to support your liberal views.
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