Author Topic: What is the Deal with all this US stuff? (Read 14591 times)

brady · « **on:** August 17, 2001, 07:13:00 PM »

We have so much US stuff in this game every patch we get some new US units, Their are so many cool units, land see and air, from other countries that could(corect me if I am wrong) be just as easly added, why the preocupation with US equipment?
I love this game and I realy appricate all the hard work that goes into the creation of these new toys for us but frankly after a year of seing new stuff added for countries with tons of stuff already at the expense of Italy and Japan, and to a lesser degree Russia, I am geting a little disapointed.

watjen · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:28:00 PM »

Maybe because it was the United States which played the largest part in the defeat of the Axis?

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:28:00 PM »

It is easier to add US stuff because of the available material on it, both general info and official test documentation. The main market for AH is also the USA and so it makes sense from a business perspective to add a lot of US stuff as well.

The US had a larger variety of aircraft than any other nation due to its two front war.

I am glad to see the M8 actually.

That all said, I would love to see more foriegn stuff.

T-34/85 anybody?
G.55?
Re.2005?
S.M.79-II?
B6N2 Tenzan?
Ki84-Ia Hayate?
P1Y1 Ginga?
Ki67?
Ju52?
Mosquito FB.VI?
Me410A-1?

watjen,

The USSR played by far the biggest role in the defeat of Germany. The US played the biggest role in the defeat of Japan. The UK and the Commonwealth played an important part in both.

[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

Steven · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:37:00 PM »

I can't speak for the makers of this game, but I would venture a guess that being a US company run by (I would guess) American citizens, that of course there may be an affinity for the US stuff. Had this game been created in Germany or Japan, it might have been a slightly different story with a slightly greater emphasis on the aircraft of the home country. We generally grow up hearing stories mostly about the indigenous hardware. Yes, they would or do have to appease the masses, but who's to say the masses do not desire this or more US stuff? I am an American and I realize I fly almost exclusively the American-iron concentrating on F4U, P51B and P38. Though the war happened before my time, my family has lost family-members to both the Germans and Japanese and I would again guess that there is just an affinity for the US stuff when you live in the USA. Yes, I am generalizing and there are and will be exceptions. I look forward to Kates and Jills and early Zekes mostly because I want to fight them in Wildcats and Warhawks. If you want it your way, you kinda have to make it yourself.

Just one dog's opinion.

-Puke
332nd Flying Mongrels

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:41:00 PM »

Karnak great list. Would love to see all them

Brady is in my squad while we fly mostly german planes but he has convinced me that the more variety the greater the fun. Even though I would never fly the majority of them I will enjoy killing/being killed by them.........

Agreed Brady.....

-ammo- · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »

well are geting 2 versions of the Hurricane, and a ME 262, are you not happy with those additions as well? Do you think that this AMERICAN company should not add AMERICAN stuff to its sim? Hey I am just an indidvidual, not working for AH but I certainly see something you dont.

Also, please explain the large number of German AC and GV's along with your argument.

Wotan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:47:00 PM »

ammo

brady never argued for more lw stuff even though hes in a lw oriented squad.

What is it you see?

He simply would like to see more japanese italian russian finish french etc stuff.

He cant express that?

Jack55 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:49:00 PM »

Antiamericanaphobia

sux ! Add P-40!

batdog · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:51:00 PM »

I think people are over reacting. We have NO idea what the total output of planes and such will be. They have only mentioned a couple. I'd wait and see... if you think your getting hosed then pitch a squeak.

xBAT

watjen · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:54:00 PM »

Hmm... I would say that the US pretty much defeated Japan on it's own, except for some shreckless participation by the UK/Commonwealth.

Against the Germans the USSR surely lost more people, however, I don't think we should judge a countries amount of support in a war just because of how many deaths they suffered. Clearly the U.S. could have just fed severely undertrained troops into battle just to be slaughtered in pointless rushes just as the Soviets did and maybe then the US would be more respected because of how many soldiers it lost?

Overall, since the USSR did nothing to aid in the Japanese surrender, and the US's arrant participation against both powers merits the U.S. as the main contributer in the defeat of the Axis.

[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: watjen ]

Kieran · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2001, 07:55:00 PM »

FWIW, I would like to see some Russian ground vehicles. I don't know of any Japanese or Italian vehicles competitive with or better than the stuff we have, but I could be very wrong. I leave that to Juzz and other GV experts.

I do know the Russian T-34 has the answer to the PIV.

Karnak · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2001, 08:03:00 PM »

Known units as of 1.08:

American (20)

B-17G
B-26B
C-47A
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F4U-1C
F6F-5
LVT-2
LVT-4A
M3
M8
M16
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25 (Brazilian)
P-47D-30
P-51B
P-51D
PT Boat
TBM-3

German (14)

Ar234A
Bf109F-4
Bf109G-2 (Finnish)
Bf109G-6
Bf109G-10
Fw190A-5
Fw190A-8
Fw190D-9
Fw190F-8
Ju88A-4
Me262A
Ostwind
Panzer IV H
Ta152H-1

British (8)

Hurricane MkIIc
Hurricane MkIId
Lancaster MkIII
Seafire MkIIc
Spitfire MkVb
Spitfire F.MkIX
Tempest MkV
Typhoon MkIb

Russian (6)

Il-2M
La5FN
La7
Tu-2S (hinted at)
Yak9T
Yak9U

Japanese (3)

A6M5b
Ki61-I-KAI-C
N1K2-J

Italian (2)

C.202
C.205

Subtotals

Fighters: 36
Bombers: 8
Transports: 1
Vehicles: 7
Boats: 1

Total Units:

53

pdog_109 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2001, 08:07:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by watjen:
the USSR did nothing to aid in the Japanese surrender

Wrong. After the 1st or 2nd A bomb was droped - not sure, Russian declared war on Japan. Russian finsished in May and moved to west shore near japan. Maybe Japanese taught, ok US no problem but US with USSR? Bad. Don't forget that the USSR fought Japan before. The US did everything by them selves, those big americans. The Chinese and Brits in the CBI were there for fun i guess.

[ 08-17-2001: Message edited by: pdog_109 ]

Lizard3 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2001, 08:07:00 PM »

I thought I heard mention of the a Russian Bomber this version...? Also, they always hold back one or two as a surprise. Either the P-47 or the 190A5 came out in a patch 2 days after the initial release. To say "All this Ami stuff" before the actual release is a bit assanine. Wait and see then squeak, cause you can always find fault with something.

One thing I'd like to see...and OHMY, its Ami...is the Pershing. We could've had that puppy before D-Day if Patton wasn't such a knothead. He thought that since the Shem was lighter it was more manueverable. WRONG! With the Shermans skinny bellybutton tracks it bogged down much quicker than the German tanks and of course...the Pershing. 90mm of fire breathing hell.

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2001, 08:09:00 PM »

watjen,

Look at where the German military was comminted and it what strength.

The vast majority of it was commited against the USSR and the USSR destroyed most of it. Also, Soviet troops were battle hardened veterans by 1944, not undertrained recruits. Read what happened the first time US troops came under heavy attack in North Africa. The Brits had to bail us out.

You are also undervaluing the efforts of the UK and Commonwealth in the CBI theatre.