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Offline MiG Eater

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A modest (radar) proposal
« on: May 22, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »
Going to throw an idea into the ring concerning radar.

In much the same way that users can take command of a carrier task force, I'd propose system where users can take command of radar stations and the way the information is presented to the players.

Base HQ radar with sector bar control.  Operator can view dots collectively gathered from all radar stations.  Double clicking a sector where dots are seen "posts" sector bar quantities.  If the operator leaves the controls, the bar fades on all country maps in stages over a period of time.  I'll call this Bar Latency.  This will allow both strat players and furballers see where the action is before a mission.  The Strat players can plot a course to avoid the action and furballers can head for it.  I'd suggest an enhanced radar view only available to a base HQ radar operator: The ability to see the strength of return in addition to position.  With this, they could actively vector interceptors to bomber raids or allow bombers to see which fields (ergo fighter hangers) are spawning the most fighters.

Airfield/regional radar - plot actual radar contacts in the way we see radar dots now.  I'd propose this to be an automatic function as we see it now but only for local radar coverage around a field.  There is one change.  Add two levels of damage to a radar station.  Light damage to the system will allow a manual player controlled posting of radar contacts (dots) to the local friendly player's clipboards.  

Neither role would have to be a "full time" position.  But(!), to prevent malicious intent by recent defectors/spies, if a player occupies a station or base HQ without making updates for a certain period of time, the user gets kicked out.  This type of system would prevent to destruction of one small target from entirely affecting the use of radar.  If Base HQ is destroyed, only the regional radars would work for more of a tactical view.  If any one airfield's radar system is destroyed, only the immediate area is blinded (which resembles what we have now minus the sector bars).  This would also provide the ability to successfully execute a low level raid if there are no Base HQ operators and the attackers navigate around local radar stations enroute to a target.

I think such a system would be a boon to scenario commanders who can take full advantage of "The big picture" to effectively manage an operation.  Having commanded entire countries in AW scenarios it is very difficult to fly and fight effectively while trying to manage a task force from a cockpit.


I'll wrap this up with a question - why do ground vehicles trigger radar sector bar displays now?

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2001, 02:07:00 PM »
   
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Originally posted by MiG Eater:

I'll wrap this up with a question - why do ground vehicles trigger radar sector bar displays now?

MiG

As yourself being a former jet jock, and a fellow employee, I must say that this was well thought out, but will it be easy to code? Dunno.

The answer to your question, the same reason an A/C under 500 feet does. I say B.S.    

oh, and to please the Forum police...this should be in Gameplay forum.  



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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2001, 02:19:00 PM »
 
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I'll wrap this up with a question - why do ground vehicles trigger radar sector bar displays now?

 Because it is supposed to represent ground troops report of enemy activity. An armored assault across the front line is difficult to overlook.

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2001, 02:22:00 PM »
 
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 Because it is supposed to represent ground troops report of enemy activity. An armored assault across the front line is difficult to overlook.

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Interesting, my WW2 books all show recon flights or scouts doing this..not modern day radar.  


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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Interesting, my WW2 books all show recon flights or scouts doing this..not modern day radar.  

You gonna fly a recon route in a Piper Cub for the knights so they can get sector updates?

The radar represents people running recon routes and an actual radar system.

If you want a clear cut path to HQ without dot dar showing your position, run 2 Arados and bomb out field radar at the fields along you ingress route and your egress route. You'll still be on bar radar, but they won't know your exact position.

That's a little strategy right there.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2001, 02:30:00 PM »
He rip.. how many of those books show a panzer sneaking within a half mile of an air base undetected?

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2001, 02:32:00 PM »
 
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He rip.. how many of those books show a panzer sneaking within a half mile of an air base undetected?

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Not many, except maybe Ardennes   But that was more than 1 !

NO BARDAR BELOW 500 FEET PLEASE!


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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2001, 02:37:00 PM »
With the new field lay-out, 1 panzer will not be able to dis-arm a field by itself, incidently.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2001, 02:42:00 PM »
1 panzer couldn't do this before... but one panzer could take out all of the ack... drive to the runway... exit... get an m3... and capture a field.

All of this should be capable without anyone knowing they were there?

Puhleez.

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2001, 02:43:00 PM »
BTW... I'm all for no bar-dar below 500 feet for aircraft.  Its just that a ground vehicle should not be able to shoot at a base without anybody knowing its there.

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2001, 02:51:00 PM »
That only happens in the wee hours of the morning lately, Deja...you know that as well as I do.
Like I said, fields will require more teamwork in the future.

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2001, 02:54:00 PM »
Actually Rip, I only play in primetime anymore and I see it happen quite often.  Alot of it depends on how wide the front is and how many people are furballing at A1.. but it does happen all the time.. even with a dar-bar giving things away.

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2001, 07:34:00 PM »
Maybe if a message came across that a base was under attack when the vehicle started firing would take care of it. Just a thought.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2001, 10:45:00 PM »
This idea has merit. In the HA ONLY. There is no reason to create a "general" position for a player to fill. I have no use whatsoever for anyone telling me where or how to fly. It's my $30.00 and I don't want to have to go through some dweeb who has a napoleon complex and thinks he needs to control the country I fly for.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2001, 12:26:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Maverick:
This idea has merit. In the HA ONLY. There is no reason to create a "general" position for a player to fill. I have no use whatsoever for anyone telling me where or how to fly. It's my $30.00 and I don't want to have to go through some dweeb who has a napoleon complex and thinks he needs to control the country I fly for.

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